Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[Kagatob]

Poopsocking = classic.

Variance and FTE are both not classic. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[A1551]

Well said, Loraen

[Enygma]

Suppose for example that Rogean began giving out two tokens per week to guilds to spawn whichever bosses they want. This idea has been proposed before, and the usual troglodyte response is "YOU CAREBEAR YOU WANT RAID MOBS HANDED TO YOU HAHAHA WHAT A LOSER".

Sakuragi - if you have a problem like this... there is a server for people like you... it's called the SLeeper - please contact Toop to enjoy his dying game.

Thanks,

[Langrisser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap4jRRK75dA

[kylok]

After reading the OP several times, this is what I see....

There's an irreconcilable difference on raid scene philosophy between OP and the general consensus of the staff. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but at the end of the day the staff has the last word. No one said this was fair, balanced, just, etc. This isn't a democracy, your vote does not count. It's good to see that people can form clear, concise thoughts but ultimately OP's point is moot.

I feel your pain, having raided on this server outside of TMO/IB. Perhaps under different circumstances this argument would be taken more seriously by the community and staff. That being said, I enjoy the server just the way it is and would not change a thing.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sworen

Sakuragi - if you have a problem like this... there is a server for people like you... it's called the SLeeper - please contact Toop to enjoy his dying game.

Thanks,

Wait. You just took as your position the straw man position I assigned to the trolls and then refuted two sentences later. That's just . . . wow.

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After reading the OP several times, this is what I see....

I really thought my post was clear, but people just aren't getting it. Let me try again. One time when I was in college I ended up playing pickup with several members of the Illinois Men's varsity team. Needless to say, they were a lot better than I was. One time I ended up switched on to one of them, and he just dribbled at the top of the key until his teammate could come back to check him, presumably because he thought zipping by me for a two handed dunk would be cruel and abusive. Did I demand to change the rules of basketball? Of course not. Because basketball is just fun.

The point I am trying to make is that I don't care about winning and losing nearly as much as having fun. Right now, participation in the raid scene is not fun, period. Tracking is not fun, period. Having to get up at 4AM to kill a dragon is not fun, period. If the raid scene is changed (lets say simultaneous repops) and TMO still cleans up, then more power to them. I can still go for a raid target without all the nonsense and have fun doing it.

[Sarius]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait. You just took as your position the straw man position I assigned to the trolls and then refuted two sentences later. That's just . . . wow.



I really thought my post was clear, but people just aren't getting it. Let me try again. One time when I was in college I ended up playing pickup with several members of the Illinois Men's varsity team. Needless to say, they were a lot better than I was. One time I ended up switched on to one of them, and he just dribbled at the top of the key until his teammate could come back to check him, presumably because he thought zipping by me for a two handed dunk would be cruel and abusive. Did I demand to change the rules of basketball? Of course not. Because basketball is just fun.

The point I am trying to make is that I don't care about winning and losing nearly as much as having fun. Right now, participation in the raid scene is not fun, period. Tracking is not fun, period. Having to get up at 4AM to kill a dragon is not fun, period. If the raid scene is changed (lets say simultaneous repops) and TMO still cleans up, then more power to them. I can still go for a raid target without all the nonsense and have fun doing it.

What happens every time there is a full server repop? TMO gets 80%+ of the mobs while BDA and FE get a few.

How will simultaneous repops fix this?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sarius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What happens every time there is a full server repop? TMO gets 80%+ of the mobs while BDA and FE get a few.

How will simultaneous repops fix this?

This thread is a monument to how everyone projects every post about the raid scene into some sort of pro/anti TMO agenda, even when the original post went into great length about how I hate that. I am not for or against TMO. There are guys in TMO that I like (even you Jeremy!) and guys that I can't stand. I would like to see the raid scene changed not because the rules aren't fair (they are, unless Sirken is feeding tiggles mob spawn times under the table) or because one guild gets all the mobs (oh well) but because THE RULES AREN'T FUN.

[Sarius]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is a monument to how everyone projects every post about the raid scene into some sort of pro/anti TMO agenda, even when the original post went into great length about how I hate that. I am not for or against TMO. There are guys in TMO that I like (even you Jeremy!) and guys that I can't stand. I would like to see the raid scene changed not because the rules aren't fair (they are, unless Sirken is feeding tiggles mob spawn times under the table) or because one guild gets all the mobs (oh well) but because THE RULES AREN'T FUN.

I'm not TMO bashing or anything, I am just saying that simultaneous repops will not help the raid scene, as we have seen with full server repops.

Other than tokens, what solution would you propose to fix the situation?

[Tasslehofp99]

Good post Loraen, It's unfortunate we can't seem to get a discussion rolling regarding this topic without trolls shitting up the threads.