Bannings and why it doesn't work

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Agaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why can't the GM's just stay off player disputing, even guild raiding, and let them deal with it on their own? On live we had 3 guilds that had a rotation on bosses. Guess what happened if they broke that rotation? They said fuck you, and did whatever they wanted. It's just like irl... you break a treaty, and you go to war.

GM's should be fixing exploiting, hacks, and game issues vs. intervening player disputes.

Why can't the game just be played how it's? I mean if someone trains, don't stand there? Move the fuck out, or fight the train?

I mean if a guild can take out a boss with 50 people cool, but at least make it so a guild with 20 can compete against that guild if they're all afk.

Because innocent players that have or want nothing to do with the situation get caught in the middle. And by that same token, what if a guild doesn't want to be involved in that kind of atmosphere?

I come from emarr. Home of Da'Kor, Ice Clan & at one point, a guild that exuded the type of atmosphere that guilds want on this server: Ebonlore. Ebonlore was disbanded by Uini for training, leap frogging, general mayhem & irreverence to other players, the guild leader banned, and I think every officer banned. Not only that, the guild name of Ebonlore was restricted from usage across all servers. I don't want to get to that point, but it is heading there. However, following that incident, every guild feared Uini, even when she went to other servers; Uini did not mess around. Because of this, rotations held until near the end of Luclin when Magister gave VT to Divine Grace after they'd farmed it empty. In lieu of a rotation on stuff like TOV, if it started popping DK/Magi & MS communicated. ST, had a flat rotation, if you were an hour late to the set start time, you gave it up & everyone agreed to that.

I'm not saying it was roses and butterfly farts; but if there was a dispute, it was handled between whoever was in charge without many incidents. Yeah, guilds trying to make a name for themselves bucked up sometimes, but when MS, SF and DK were more than willing to assure you got 0 raid targets you towed the line. Yeah, there were trains, but those that lived by the train, died by the train. Nothing more entertaining than another guild training raids because of what they did to your guild or summat.

Here is the huge difference between here and there, then and now: It's every man for himself here. No one is willing to give an inch because they feel like they'll be taken advantage of (and rightly so). There is no respect between the individual guilds themselves or between the guilds and the staff. Personally, I don't give a damn what you do to each other. But, when a guild comes along that doesn't want to be involved in that crap, we have to get involved, because they have just as much right and privilege as someone else to try to enjoy themselves and the server.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because innocent players that have or want nothing to do with the situation get caught in the middle. And by that same token, what if a guild doesn't want to be involved in that kind of atmosphere?

I come from emarr. Home of Da'Kor, Ice Clan & at one point, a guild that exuded the type of atmosphere that guilds want on this server: Ebonlore. Ebonlore was disbanded by Uini for training, leap frogging, general mayhem & irreverence to other players, the guild leader banned, and I think every officer banned. Not only that, the guild name of Ebonlore was restricted from usage across all servers. I don't want to get to that point, but it is heading there. However, following that incident, every guild feared Uini, even when she went to other servers; Uini did not mess around. Because of this, rotations held until near the end of Luclin when Magister gave VT to Divine Grace after they'd farmed it empty. In lieu of a rotation on stuff like TOV, if it started popping DK/Magi & MS communicated. ST, had a flat rotation, if you were an hour late to the set start time, you gave it up & everyone agreed to that.

I'm not saying it was roses and butterfly farts; but if there was a dispute, it was handled between whoever was in charge without many incidents. Yeah, guilds trying to make a name for themselves bucked up sometimes, but when MS, SF and DK were more than willing to assure you got 0 raid targets you towed the line. Yeah, there were trains, but those that lived by the train, died by the train. Nothing more entertaining than another guild training raids because of what they did to your guild or summat.

Here is the huge difference between here and there, then and now: It's every man for himself here. No one is willing to give an inch because they feel like they'll be taken advantage of (and rightly so). There is no respect between the individual guilds themselves or between the guilds and the staff. Personally, I don't give a damn what you do to each other. But, when a guild comes along that doesn't want to be involved in that crap, we have to get involved, because they have just as much right and privilege as someone else to try to enjoy themselves and the server.

yes that's nice but I WANT THIS SERVER RUN MY WAY YOU BETTER DO IT OR I WILL BE SPEND LITERALLY DAYS OF MY LIFE BEING A NUISANCE ON A FREE SERVER YOU BETTER WATCH URSEL

[Agaron]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because innocent players that have or want nothing to do with the situation get caught in the middle. And by that same token, what if a guild doesn't want to be involved in that kind of atmosphere?

I come from emarr. Home of Da'Kor, Ice Clan & at one point, a guild that exuded the type of atmosphere that guilds want on this server: Ebonlore. Ebonlore was disbanded by Uini for training, leap frogging, general mayhem & irreverence to other players, the guild leader banned, and I think every officer banned. Not only that, the guild name of Ebonlore was restricted from usage across all servers. I don't want to get to that point, but it is heading there. However, following that incident, every guild feared Uini, even when she went to other servers; Uini did not mess around. Because of this, rotations held until near the end of Luclin when Magister gave VT to Divine Grace after they'd farmed it empty. In lieu of a rotation on stuff like TOV, if it started popping DK/Magi & MS communicated. ST, had a flat rotation, if you were an hour late to the set start time, you gave it up & everyone agreed to that.

I'm not saying it was roses and butterfly farts; but if there was a dispute, it was handled between whoever was in charge without many incidents. Yeah, guilds trying to make a name for themselves bucked up sometimes, but when MS, SF and DK were more than willing to assure you got 0 raid targets you towed the line. Yeah, there were trains, but those that lived by the train, died by the train. Nothing more entertaining than another guild training raids because of what they did to your guild or summat.

Here is the huge difference between here and there, then and now: It's every man for himself here. No one is willing to give an inch because they feel like they'll be taken advantage of (and rightly so). There is no respect between the individual guilds themselves or between the guilds and the staff. Personally, I don't give a damn what you do to each other. But, when a guild comes along that doesn't want to be involved in that crap, we have to get involved, because they have just as much right and privilege as someone else to try to enjoy themselves and the server.

As it sits DA could zerg pretty much any raid boss they want (and this has nothing to do with DA as a guild), and IB before that. How's that fair to other guilds?

It's pretty obvious GM's in general aren't going to care as much, or be as professional as GM's on live due to not being paid. I'm sure most GM decisions are done out of self enjoyment or e-power trip. No offense.

I just don't think intervening because people "don't play nice" should happen in any mmo game. That's like telling someone in WoW, UO, DaoC, or anyother game not to kill me, because I want to have fun. I mean this game has a language filter, and ignore feature. Play the game with how the mechanics were set?

Not to mention you're assuming just because 1 guild enjoys candyland rules... what about the rest who can't stand the current rules?

It's pretty clear that everyone hates afk camping, yet no one wants to do anything about it. FFA will fix that. I'm pretty sure it can't make things any worse than they already are? People already train.

[Abacab2]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I come from emarr. Home of Da'Kor, Ice Clan & at one point, a guild that exuded the type of atmosphere that guilds want on this server: Ebonlore. Ebonlore was disbanded by Uini for training, leap frogging, general mayhem & irreverence to other players, the guild leader banned, and I think every officer banned.

Sounds like Ebonlore was raping ass and the other two guilds cried to the GM to fix it (I.E Ban them because they play too rough) I liken this to an elementary school playground where everyone is sharing the jungle gym.

Everyone wants to be on top of the jungle gym so they bicker and fight over it, usually just minor squabbles which are resolved rather quickly amongst them, but from time to time there comes a bully who doesn't "Play nice" and is down to throw a punch, trip you, steal your G.I Joes in order to obtain the top spot.

You know you can't beat the bully head on because you'll get thrashed and forced to eat the mud and insects off the ground for the bully's amusement, so you do the only course you know... You tell the teacher get him sent to detention and all is well on the jungle gym again, until that bully gets out of detention and meets you after school.

[xplodr]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I come from emarr. Home of Da'Kor, Ice Clan & at one point, a guild that exuded the type of atmosphere that guilds want on this server: Ebonlore. Ebonlore was disbanded by Uini for training, leap frogging, general mayhem & irreverence to other players, the guild leader banned, and I think every officer banned. Not only that, the guild name of Ebonlore was restricted from usage across all servers. I don't want to get to that point, but it is heading there. However, following that incident, every guild feared Uini, even when she went to other servers; Uini did not mess around. Because of this, rotations held until near the end of Luclin when Magister gave VT to Divine Grace after they'd farmed it empty.

!%&* Ebonlore, !%&* Uini and !%&* Magister. I can't remember the name of the G.I.R.L. Dark Elf SK jackass from Magister, but !%&* him/her too. Oh, and one more thing: !%&* Emarr... I played there and xfered to Povar to join a real guild: Triton.

[rioisk]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because innocent players that have or want nothing to do with the situation get caught in the middle. And by that same token, what if a guild doesn't want to be involved in that kind of atmosphere?

I come from emarr. Home of Da'Kor, Ice Clan & at one point, a guild that exuded the type of atmosphere that guilds want on this server: Ebonlore. Ebonlore was disbanded by Uini for training, leap frogging, general mayhem & irreverence to other players, the guild leader banned, and I think every officer banned. Not only that, the guild name of Ebonlore was restricted from usage across all servers. I don't want to get to that point, but it is heading there. However, following that incident, every guild feared Uini, even when she went to other servers; Uini did not mess around. Because of this, rotations held until near the end of Luclin when Magister gave VT to Divine Grace after they'd farmed it empty. In lieu of a rotation on stuff like TOV, if it started popping DK/Magi & MS communicated. ST, had a flat rotation, if you were an hour late to the set start time, you gave it up & everyone agreed to that.

I'm not saying it was roses and butterfly farts; but if there was a dispute, it was handled between whoever was in charge without many incidents. Yeah, guilds trying to make a name for themselves bucked up sometimes, but when MS, SF and DK were more than willing to assure you got 0 raid targets you towed the line. Yeah, there were trains, but those that lived by the train, died by the train. Nothing more entertaining than another guild training raids because of what they did to your guild or summat.

Here is the huge difference between here and there, then and now: It's every man for himself here. No one is willing to give an inch because they feel like they'll be taken advantage of (and rightly so). There is no respect between the individual guilds themselves or between the guilds and the staff. Personally, I don't give a damn what you do to each other. But, when a guild comes along that doesn't want to be involved in that crap, we have to get involved, because they have just as much right and privilege as someone else to try to enjoy themselves and the server.

"we have to get involved, because they have just as much right and privilege as someone else to try to enjoy themselves and the server"

So you are saying you defend those who want heavily enforced GM rules in order to have fun? Because they have the privilege? What about the privilege of those who work? They like the game just as much - but the current rules bars him from getting raid targets over 1 element: time. Time is the only determinant of accessing boss fights at the moment. And that's the system in every modern mmorpg because there is no other form of competition that doesn't step on the toes of another person. So people compete indirectly by means of spending more time than the other to get in-game achievement.

The spirit of EQ classic was not like this. What you got was because another didn't. And you did everything you could to stop them from getting it. Anything. You might say "yes, but if one could do anything they wanted, they would, they'd be ruthless". Perhaps. Or perhaps everybody would concede "I'm tired of stepping on each other's toes, let's work out a deal". It's as if we all have guns pointed at everybody else - we could risk shooting - but we might be killed in the process - so it's always a risk - and sometimes you both just withdraw your weapons for the sake of peace.

What could be farther from the EQ classic experience then this? Let the players create their own rules by causing each other trouble until they agree what wouldn't trouble each other. It's a game of chance, betrayal, and agreeing, because you have no other choice but to use whatever mechanics you can to win.

All of which is cut into a small fraction of it's possibility because it's is decided that "it's not fair". What's fair? Let the mechanics and the players decide.

[ssyrax]

Originally Posted by Agaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes the staff reminds me of the loser kid playing freeze tag that changes the rules when he's the one frozen. (I most likely will get banned for saying staff, and loser in the same sentence.)

Every live server could make up player base rules agreed upon by the player base aka rotations etc. Not GM staff enforcing a pve server.

All the people posting on this forum defending the current GM rules are the people in these zerg guilds getting a walk through of the game. No crap they're not going to want it to change, when they got phat loot coming their way.

Shit needs to go FFA, or player diplomacy imo.

I'm an officer of Sapientia... We are far from a zerg guild, with a maximum of about 25 people on a GOOD night for us. We have killed trash in PoF, and PoH, and killed Phinny a time or two... Before you lump everyone together into one grouping, you should probably check your facts first. Our world is far from perfect, and our devs do the best they can to provide you with a fair system to play with. They let you play here, and they provide good customer service given the circumstances. Like they've said before, they could pull the plug if they so chose to because people are ungrateful for what they've got. Yes you're allowed to be unhappy with things, yes you're allowed to express your opinions. But there's no reason to be a nuisance over it.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I just had an apostrophe. While there are ways around it, sister guilds...put a cap on guild numbers...pros cons? lol crazy idea I know.

[Abacab2]

WUT

[Abacab2]

Damn son, Boyz N'Tha Hood up in here?