5 Great Reasons to Wipe it Clean

[eqgmrdbz]

DukeVonSausage,
I went thru your posts, and it seems you are set on letting the server keep going as is, as you posted before, "high level honest peeps are not going to wanna give up millions of plat or the raid gear they have". Well then why arent you for a new server, that would be in line with what you want, you can stay on the old P99 server with all your stuff, and let peeps who want to move or dont mind moving to start new.

[DukeVonSausage]

Originally Posted by eqgmrdbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DukeVonSausage,
I went thru your posts, and it seems you are set on letting the server keep going as is, as you posted before, "high level honest peeps are not going to wanna give up millions of plat or the raid gear they have". Well then why aren't you for a new server, that would be in line with what you want, you can stay on the old P99 server with all your stuff, and let peeps who want to move or don't mind moving to start new.

Because if you read the entirety of my posts, I use both reasoning and logic to explain that:

A) Wiping/Roll Back wont solve any problem, period. RMT will still be here, duping will still be here, and its just an excuse people are using to in an attempt to play the game like they're 13 again.

B) Its incredibly selfish, narrow minded, and does nothing to help us in the long run. It alienates our new players by setting the precedence that we'll simply wipe the server whenever we encounter a problem like this, rather than find a real solution. Alienating both old and new players would be a fantastic way to make sure they stopped playing on P1999 period, and for the fucking anti-social/socially maladjusted, a large community is good; community growth has been what we've been working on for a long time now and wrecking that due to some duping and RMT would be biting our nose of to spite our faces. The context would ruin any chance of that community rebuilding.

Why do I have to explain this to people? This is common fucking sense.

[Peener]

Originally Posted by DukeVonSausage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if you read the entirety of my posts, I use both reasoning and logic to explain that:

A) Wiping/Roll Back wont solve any problem, period. RMT will still be here, duping will still be here, and its just an excuse people are using to in an attempt to play the game like they're 13 again.

B) Its incredibly selfish, narrow minded, and does nothing to help us in the long run. It alienates our new players by setting the precedence that we'll simply wipe the server whenever we encounter a problem like this, rather than find a real solution. Alienating both old and new players would be a fantastic way to make sure they stopped playing on P1999 period, and for the fucking anti-social/socially maladjusted, a large community is good; community growth has been what we've been working on for a long time now and wrecking that due to some duping and RMT would be biting our nose of to spite our faces. The context would ruin any chance of that community rebuilding.

Why do I have to explain this to people? This is common fucking sense.

This. Well said.

[Dakidd4990]

A clean wipe would be amazing. I wasn't around when P99 started and only joined after everyone already had max lvl chars and raid gear. It would be so much fun to start over fresh with everyone at low lvl for groups and such. I could actually make a group reliant class and not want to gouge my eyes out trying to lvl it unable to find grps.

[feanan]

Common sense has little to do with the crap you are posting.

You have to explain it to people because you are an idiot.

Of course, its such "common sense" you had to make a new fake account to post it under.

[DukeVonSausage]

Originally Posted by feanan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Common sense has little to do with the crap you are posting.
You have to explain it to people because you are an idiot.

I have to explain this to people, because I'm an idiot?

The brain on this guy.

Try posting a real argument rather than an ad hominem attack.

I've had my niece in 5th grade sling better insults than that shit you just posted; and better logic from my wife when shes on the rag.

1/10 for making me post.

[Bantam 1]

Originally Posted by DukeVonSausage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to explain this to people, because I'm an idiot?

The brain on this guy.

Try posting a real argument rather than an ad hominem attack.

I've had my niece in 5th grade sling better insults than that shit you just posted; and better logic from my wife when shes on the rag.
1/10 for making me post.

Really? Your argument that its selfish can go either way... which is why it doesn't work.

A) Its selfish that you want to make all these established players reset just so you can play on even footing at the start. (This is true)

B) Its selfish that established players want to deny new players a reset so they can start on even footing. (This is also true)

I said it at another point.... selfish is completely in the eye of the beholder. If you want to argue that there are more A than B this B is more selfish.. we can only speculate and use forum polls (which support B btw).

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Bantam 1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A) Its selfish that you want to make all these established players reset just so you can play on even footing at the start. (This is true)

B) Its selfish that established players want to deny new players a reset so they can start on even footing. (This is also true)

only one of these would lead to lower population and the eventual demise of the server, though. and it's not B.

[DukeVonSausage]

Originally Posted by Bantam 1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? Your argument that its selfish can go either way... which is why it doesn't work.

A) Its selfish that you want to make all these established players reset just so you can play on even footing at the start. (This is true)

B) Its selfish that established players want to deny new players a reset so they can start on even footing. (This is also true)

I said it at another point.... selfish is completely in the eye of the beholder. If you want to argue that there are more A than B this B is more selfish.. we can only speculate and use forum polls (which support B btw).

Thats why we use argumentation to discern what is the better option.

B) Its selfish that established players want to deny new players a reset so they can start on even footing. (This is also true)

This is misguided reasoning. If you think wiping the server is going to level the playing field you'd be completely incorrect. You're assuming that the remnants of TMO wouldn't simply join together again, out level everyone faster and more efficient due to their organization, and access the content BEFORE the majority of the population gets to end game content and once again sets up a monopoly on the raid scene.

You think the gear disparity is bad now? What do you actually think it is going to be like when they're the only ones at the top with free reign and instead of other guilds having at least 'some loot' and being able to marginally compete, now they're in total shit gear with no chance to compete.

Not only this, smaller raiding guilds with good people who show promise of future competition, guilds like Div, would be hurt most by a wipe if their veterans did not return to play, further putting the power into super guilds's hands.

There are so many reasons why wiping the server isn't just misguided, its stupid, and why I will continue to insist that it will not fix any of the servers pre-established problems with RMT, Duping, or the raid scene.

You're trying to treat a symptom, stop a moment, think, and then try to fix the issue.

[eqgmrdbz]

DukeVonSausage,
Did you read my post, i said nothing about wiping and or rolling back. I said get a new server up (a different one), and let players move there and start new. A wipe is everything you said, and i will agree there is a sense of community, but still if you wanna be with your frainds you can stay on the old P99 server, i dont understand why thats hard to understand.

And again with a new server it would be a choice, no one is going to force you. Lastly...if you wanna keep the status quo, what are you going to say to new players, who have to deal with DDOs attacks, massive prices, and perma camping, just for loot. I dont mind, but there may be players who are going to be put off by it.