Stuns from Tranquil Staff and Trochilic's Skean

[Nirgun]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Beware this custom road

Shutup dude.

A lot of us liked vztz pvp mechanics more than r99 pvp mechanics, because there was actual balance.

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Gongshow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The TStaff nerf was so over the top and ridiculously knee jerk that the forest has been bulldozed overnight and we have a 4 lane highway into custom city. I expect all of these other proposed changes to go in right away, based on this newly set precedent.

I can't stun a guy for 16 fucking seconds, this game is ruined! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Gongshow]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't stun a guy for 16 fucking seconds, this game is ruined! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe read my other posts in this thread where I overall agree on the fact it needed a nerf, and to be honest it IS a step in the right direction, I just think it's an over-nerf since PVE stun is almost non-existant, unless we are all wrong. Random 3-12s was live, and hell, even a flat 6 seconds would be fine. 1-2s is a beatdown.

I am curious to see what exactly the "PVE stun" code is. Looks like nilbog is on the case.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Nirgun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shutup dude.

A lot of us liked vztz pvp mechanics more than r99 pvp mechanics, because there was actual balance.

And VZTZ was a bug ridden mess that I don't think ever saw 600 players.

This server had that many on opening night.

A lot of you want another 60 pop VZTZ with boxing where one guild griefs off all the new players and you've bitched about the mechanics till they suit your liking.

Shit needs to be classic.

Come @ me in RNF bro, stay out of Big Nilberg's great thread.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

try it on level 50+ mobs, most importantly level 60s, because ive never noticed a mob that wasnt a green con at 60 actually get stunned for any noticeable amount of time, but its not like im able to see a hard timer; theyre just always back to hitting me instantly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaaNtjTJlD8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiOnv9H4cnw 2nd Proc at 2 : 20

If this is how it's working for mobs of ANY level, then yes. Here I accumulated several T staff procs in the range of 1 - 10 secs. If you can ensure that this stun rate / duration is applicable to mobs of all levels then I think we're on to something. As Colgate mentioned, I beleive higher level NPC's are definitely impacted differently by the stun, and I am not talking bosses. I will try and get some higher level NPC testing done.

[Nirgon]

Great recording Lite.

I think more if/else to cause players to ignore level caps on pvp spells is where this is headed. And even better, sounds like something that could be quickly changed.

[Nirgun]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And VZTZ was a bug ridden mess that I don't think ever saw 600 players.

This server had that many on opening night.

A lot of you want another 60 pop VZTZ with boxing where one guild griefs off all the new players and you've bitched about the mechanics till they suit your liking.

Shit needs to be classic.

Come @ me in RNF bro, stay out of Big Nilberg's great thread.

This thread is about stuns and im talking about stuns. If you wanna flame go ahead in rnf, im not going to argue.

The main strat in all large pvp is tsaff.


This is a problem. Sorry you dont see it nirgon. Vztz nerfed problems like that for balance. Vztz being unstable is due to the instability of stock emu.

[Nirgon]

random 2-10 second tstaff isn't terrible, esp if we go with rarely 2 (dud proc), commonly 3-6, very rarely 7+ or thereabouts (sounds about classic)

Skean should just be easily resistable (classic)

Not sure if there's anything anyone should have trouble seeing

I don't remember tstaff being the end of the world (like here) in Kunark/Velious, but it was definitely powerful. But monks didn't rape as hard as rogues or have muscle lock poison, so I don't feel terrible.

[FaithlessKR]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was more offended by how the Skean was nearly unresistable here more than anything.

I disagree, not only is the proc rate absurdly low...but against Nihilum in mass pvp it will land maybe 1 every 5 procs. Which is still a lot more than it was on live. Regardless the fixed stun duration needed to be fixed.

[Rallyd]

Not sure where everyone is getting the idea that the PVE version of the tstaff stun, doesn't actually stun. This is in fact absolutely false, it definitely stuns, the problem is that the server tick timer is always running, so most of the time it will last less than 3 seconds, which is in fact the same timer as mob delay. I have seen many times a mob get procced that is below level 55 and have it stunned for 8-10 seconds. it's just rare/random.