Why were we so bad during live?

[koros]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Avatar of War has the potential to do 1152 x 8 -- 9216 damage in one single round (and thats excluding two kicks and bashes or one kick and one bash -- Its around 9700 without defensive.

With Defensive I think his max hit is around 750 or something, I forgot how to do the calculation with DB/DI. 750 x 8 -- 6000 + kick and bash again (2).

Max damage of around 6400 with defensive on in ONE round. If you thought Bzzt in Plane of Sky was hard quadding, AoW makes the bee look like a chump. You have absolutely no chance of tanking him without Defensive or a similar disc. If your tank dies anytime where it is not preplanned for your clerics to switch your raidforce is fucked and you will die. Ideally you need three to four warriors who are decked out in NTOV shit and all of your melee DPS equipped with Primals.

Half the fight is keeping your tanks alive and actually performing a good transition to the next Warrior without a mishap. The other half is how many times you need to transition and making sure your clerics do not run out of mana. This depends mostly on your melee DPS. This could be as many as three to four if your raid force is not geared in the best velious shit.

I just don't understand how everyone here can think he will die so fast. This guy can drop an entire raid in 30 seconds. He will run your shit over and not look back.

Flurry added 2 hits, not 4.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Hamahakki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

- There was a huge lack of urgency for killing the tough Velious mobs. The early parts of the expansion were spent exploring, with only occasional guild events in Velious. We also spent a ton of time killing classic and Kunark targets, excited by how much the competition for them had thinned out.

I think it is funny how true this was. I remember killing velk one time, "Hey velk is up, anyone want to kill him? sure.." Everyone walks over to velks lab, group up etc etc etc.

I think a lot of this had to do with the top guild(s) being tied up in ntov, sleepers, PoM (?) so a lot of the other shit was ignored.

I also think EQ was one of the if not the first really MMO raid type games where you had boss fights and strategy etc so a lot of it was all around new. You had lots of people who played MMOs for community, exploring, questing, role playing etc. Now you have a concentration of people who play mmo for loot farming primarily so you get a higher level of competition to control everything and kill shit first for bragging rights.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a lot of this had to do with the top guild(s) being tied up in ntov, sleepers, PoM (?) so a lot of the other shit was ignored.

Shit wasn't 'ignored' , it was just priorities.
That, and noone ever had access to 5 chars 60lv and BiS geared. Your guild only allowed you to gear ONE main and in the majority of the time it was a PITA to even switch mains (unless it suited the needs of said guild at that time).

[Spitty]

Dialup was a significant problem.

By a year into Velious, I'd say a lot of people invested in a better connection if they were raiding alot.

Starting out, though - it's alot like what Kline said, people's connections weren't ready for 20 minute fights with 36+ people. Not to mention the hellish latency if another guild was racing for the spawn, or decided to bring their entire online force plus their bots and hang out in the arena.

I remember disconnecting and dialing until I got a decent connection before every raid, or bringing my entire tower PC over to a friend's spot, until they ran highspeed to our place.

[webrunner5]

Raids on here are a joke. They last about 3 minutes. I know that is the way it is in Kunark with the gear and knowledge we have here.. I was a Cleric in a big guild and man trying to chain heal for 20 minutes or more was some damn stressful crap I can tell you. Trying to time it right for that long of time was intense. Velious raids can pucker your butthole up. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Indoor ones to me are the worse.

[Nyrod]

man, i need to find all my velious screenshots mmmm juuicy

[falkun]

Internet and computers were slower, broadband an i5's didn't exist, so there was less margin for error. As a bard, its pretty easy to see: keeping 4 songs up is easy on P99, but look through all the old bard websites on how "pro" it was to maintain 4 songs even keeping 3 up was considered "good". That's not a player limitation, that's a hardware limitation. That's just one reason.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Internet and computers were slower, broadband an i5's didn't exist, so there was less margin for error.

Video cards. Raids of more than, say, 50 people were so laggy it was almost impossible to play. Now I've seen 100 people poopsocking Trak lair and stuff with no probs.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Video cards. Raids of more than, say, 50 people were so laggy it was almost impossible to play. Now I've seen 100 people poopsocking Trak lair and stuff with no probs.

I had to take my computer casing off and put a fan on my Voodoo 2 or it would freak.

[WizardEQ]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had to take my computer casing off and put a fan on my Voodoo 2 or it would freak.

One word: Dial-up!

You were hardcore if you remember that shit.