Velious Variance Discussion:

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Vulak tied to the other dragons? Or was that patched down the road? aka If you pulled Vulak when other dragons were up, they would come and assist Vulak.

A Vulak attack initially worked like attacking CT. Except any of the named dragons in the zone would be brought to him upon attack.

However.

Certain monks who were elite enough (yes EQ has skill disclaimer) at FD pulling could handle the pull such that you could kill Vulak and leave Lord Vyemm (Vyemm being the toughest bitch in there) up. This created cries of exploit or unfairness from top guilds who did not have pull teams that could accomplish this, so it was changed to a ring event.

My opinion? Classic Vulak of course. Not sure if pulling mechanics here match live closely enough but I think they do to allow this. Those who played know of it and may already be ready to attempt a Vyemmless Vulak kill.

Vyemm I see being a cock block until people gear up and learn the fight, but a Vulak kill (along with most others) may indeed be a very possible day 1 reality with the amount of sky haste, rogues/clerics and VP gear thoroughly farmed.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then when Velious comes out this server should be blown up and restarted on classic time line.

Problem solved.

This is exactly what should be done. Call this iteration an extended beta and do it right next time. It's been a lot of fun and I'd be willing to do it again, I mean -- we all already are, right?

Seriously though, nothing else solves the very non-classic condition of this server and folks possessing multiple raid-ready characters which they can just plant wherever. You could wave a magic wand tomorrow and make all the rules exactly classic, but if the well-geared alt armies remain then mobilization is trivialized. That's not classic.

[Nirgon]

The answer is nope Retti, JESUS SON GET IT TOGETHER

[Nirgon]

I was setting expectations to reduce frustration. Don't troll your own thread brodog.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was setting expectations to reduce frustration. Don't troll your own thread brodog.

Oh come on it was just humor

[Nirgon]

@pasi I am making sure a difference is known in the argument

[pasi]

I'm digging through the SK-forums atm. Unfortunately, the old shadowknight.org can't be accessed through the wayback. However, there's still a ton of confirmation of this. As for the guk example - I don't know, I didn't have access to instant IVU until Cazic Thule Revamp. VP was one zone where we relied on invis-pulling due to the incredibly quick respawn.

Here's something though:

There's also something I've discovered as a ranger years ago. I don't know if it still works this way or not, as I've not used a bow in my entire shadowknight career thus far... but once I had innate camo, one can pull social mobs single from a group of socials by squeezing off an arrow, and immediately going invisible before the arrow hit. Then when the arrow crunched into the mob, it was as though none of the others had ever seen where it came from. The mob would come by itself.

We used to refer to this as rule #1 on the SK forums - you didn't directly talk about it - but some people still did.

[Aeolwind]

TL; DR

Kland, Zland, Sont, Yeli, Statue, Tormax, Vindi, Wuoshi, Kelorek, Velketor, Lodizal, West TOV, Dozekar, North TOV all of that had built in variance to some degree. Yeli/Max I'm not sure of, but went with it anyway. The talisman dragons had a +/- Range that was F'd up. Dozekar was 3 days +/- 18 hours. Other stuff like Garzicor you could do as fast as you wanted to though, so he should be left out of the equation. ST even had variance.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL; DR

Kland, Zland, Sont, Yeli, Statue, Tormax, Vindi, Wuoshi, Kelorek, Velketor, Lodizal, West TOV, Dozekar, North TOV all of that had built in variance to some degree. Yeli/Max I'm not sure of, but went with it anyway. The talisman dragons had a +/- Range that was F'd up. Dozekar was 3 days +/- 18 hours. Other stuff like Garzicor you could do as fast as you wanted to though, so he should be left out of the equation. ST even had variance.

to a degree........

[uygi]

Everything should either be properly classic or random chance 24/7 with a mean spawn rate of 4.3/month for 7-days and 10/month for 3-days if necessary to prevent poopsocking. I could never figure out why widows/variances were the solution.