About Spawn variance....

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rules can't be changed because the GM's put down the 100% unbreakable ground rule of no First to engage will be allowed on this server. Can thank Tibador + Allizia and the casual raiders for that one..

As far as everything else, if there is no first to engage rule, camping will always rule supreme. I don't want to do it. I usually don't, but there are apparantly well over 100 people on this server that are okay with leaving their character in game for days at a time and not actually playing the god damn game.

Unless they have IP exemptions and they abuse them. Already reported 4 people doing that from multiple guilds...

Edit: Thats my opinion and I only speak for myself.

Man...that's defeatist. You know the server population can change the rules, Otto. You were there for it before. All it takes is coordinating it.

If the server outlaws camping raid mobs, then it's outlawed. Nilbog told us a long time ago it was up to us to determine the rules.

To echo Hogwash, if you're not clearing/raiding....gtfo.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rules can't be changed because the GM's put down the 100% unbreakable ground rule of no First to engage will be allowed on this server. Can thank Tibador + Allizia and the casual raiders for that one.

As far as everything else, if there is no first to engage rule, camping will always rule supreme. I don't want to do it. I usually don't, but there are apparantly well over 100 people on this server that are okay with leaving their character in game for days at a time and not actually playing the god damn game.

Unless they have IP exemptions and they abuse them. Already reported 4 people doing that from multiple guilds...

Edit: Thats my opinion and I only speak for myself.

Tibador and Allizia no longer play on p1999. So why are we allowing outdated thinking to dictate our raid rules?

I am the guild leader of Transcendence. The raid scene has changed alot and Transcendence has unloaded the troublemakers, drama queens and loot whores. We are back in raid mode to get work done.

I 100% support FTE. IF boss spawns and your crew is ready to engage then fucking engage. None of this shitbag sitting around waiting. Nagafen spawns..groups are formed, pets are out, resist gear on ..CHARGE! No different that if the frenzy in lower guk spawns or the derv camps in north ro.

Murphy's Law states that if the plan is too complex then it is usually a BAD idea. FTE is a simple plan.

I still think however we are cheating ourselves out of spawns!

[Valent]

How about you motivate your guild to kill gods/dragons instead of whinning about the raid rules.

Tigole would not like your leadership style.

[Valent]

What if I said my old guild beat LoS in content. Would you value my opinion?

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Valent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if I said my old guild beat LoS in content. Would you value my opinion?

Not on my watch you didn't.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Valent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about you motivate your guild to kill gods/dragons instead of whinning about the raid rules.

Tigole would not like your leadership style.

Ya? You know Tigole personally?

[Uaellaen]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya? You know Tigole personally?

i do! and he would shit him self laughing if he would read about this ... camping .. stuff ...

[Evorix]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I 100% support FTE. IF boss spawns and your crew is ready to engage then fucking engage. None of this shitbag sitting around waiting. Nagafen spawns..groups are formed, pets are out, resist gear on ..CHARGE! No different that if the frenzy in lower guk spawns or the derv camps in north ro.

When a boss spawns, it takes about 20-30mins to get ppl online, buffed, and mobs cleared before it is dead. Noone is waiting.

[Skope]

if you call 5 days waiting for it to pop "not waiting". I would love to see your definition of waiting. He's not talking about the 30 minute engagement rule, he's speaking about the previous 5 days of laying claim to it that's the problem

[Otto]

How could you ever outlaw camping? That's absurdly difficult to manage. Characters logged out in the zone the raid target spawns in... banning people from zones like sol b, perma, and even the planes for farming other gear... It's not something you can watch and manage.

The only option is to camp, make a rotation, or have every single person on the server agree to overthrow the FTE or FFA ban by the GMs and be grownup about it.

Call it defeatism, pessimism, whatever you want... I'd prefer you prove me wrong.