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[GoodGuyAmes]

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/legal/lawyers.htm

Job Outlook
Employment of lawyers is expected to grow by 10 percent from 2010 to 2020, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Competition for jobs should continue to be strong because more students are graduating from law school each year than there are jobs available.

There was always fierce competition between lawyers for jobs but the field is expected to grow just as steadily as most other jobs in America. People also fail to realize that when you graduate with a J.D you have more options then just practicing law. You can become a legal professor, Legal Consultant, Public Administration, Public Servant (look at how many politicians are lawyers) etc.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by GoodGuyAmes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can become a legal professor, Legal Consultant, Public Administration, Public Servant (look at how many politicians are lawyers) etc.

Professors generally come from the top schools, and if you want tenure it's almost a requirement. Thus, Top ~25 applies there. Public service often doesn't justify the investment in time and $ required unless scholarships are involved, and most serious politicians also went to top schools. You'll find a few politicians in the top 60 schools, but most come out of the Top 25, and there's a strong plurality that comes from the top 14.

You can do a lot of other things, and it can be smart to get a JD from a non top school, but you MUST know what you're doing. Going in blindly is never a good idea.

[GoodGuyAmes]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Professors generally come from the top schools, and if you want tenure it's almost a requirement. Thus, Top ~25 applies there. Public service often doesn't justify the investment in time and $ required unless scholarships are involved, and most serious politicians also went to top schools. You'll find a few politicians in the top 60 schools, but most come out of the Top 25, and there's a strong plurality that comes from the top 14.

You can do a lot of other things, and it can be smart to get a JD from a non top school, but you MUST know what you're doing. Going in blindly is never a good idea.

Professors who teach at top schools are from top schools. 70% of the lawyers who practice don't go to a top ten school. My uncle is a patent lawyer and he went to Albany Law School (state college) and makes more money then you or I could even fathom. Not everyone goes to Yale Or Harvard my friend and if you pass the BAR exam in New York state, California or Texas then you are an intelligent person no matter which school you went to. My civil procedures professor went to CUNY College then CUNY School of Law and was able to retire when she was 50 years old. She was a managing partner at a law firm and teaches part time just to keep her mind busy but owns a house in the hamptons and a really nice pad in the upper east or west side (cant remember).

Yea sure its nice to have that Harvard School Of Law on your resume but just because the person had the money to go to that school does not make them a more competent lawyer then the guy who went to a state school. In some places in the midwest they even prefer a local kid then someone who went off to a hoity toity university. If you are a hard worker and have a go getter attitude then you will do absolutely fine in your field.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by GoodGuyAmes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Professors who teach at top schools are from top schools. 70% of the lawyers who practice don't go to a top ten school. My uncle is a patent lawyer and he went to Albany Law School (state college) and makes more money then you or I could even fathom. Not everyone goes to Yale Or Harvard my friend and if you pass the BAR exam in New York state, California or Texas then you are an intelligent person no matter which school you went to. My civil procedures professor went to CUNY College then CUNY School of Law and was able to retire when she was 50 years old. She was a managing partner at a law firm and teaches part time just to keep her mind busy but owns a house in the hamptons and a really nice pad in the upper east or west side (cant remember).

Yea sure its nice to have that Harvard School Of Law on your resume but just because the person had the money to go to that school does not make them a more competent lawyer then the guy who went to a state school. In some places in the midwest they even prefer a local kid then someone who went off to a hoity toity university. If you are a hard worker and have a go getter attitude then you will do absolutely fine in your field.

I don't disagree that anyone can succeed. That's quite clear in many cases. For example, the former Dean of Houston went to a 4th tier school, but he's widely considered to have been very successful. Many lower tier schools have success stories, and I've never denied that. In face, I quite agree with you that success can be found in any situation.

However, the question is about playing the numbers. It's about intelligent decision making in light of the probabilities. Unless you have a specific plan that you've carefully weighed, it, generally speaking, is a less-than-good idea to go to a lower ranked school.

It's like saying that a lot of billionaires are dropouts. This is true, but they succeeded in spite of that. At best, a lower tier school won't hurt, but a higher tier school CAN make a world of difference. Without a specific circumstance to tell you otherwise (like a very well thought out career plan), it doesn't make much financial sense to go to a poorly ranked school.

I agree that the individual will get out of something equivalent to what they put in. However, the question is about the wisdom of attending a lower ranked school as a general matter. From a decision theory standpoint, its not unless you have a mitigating factor (scholarship, regionally dominant school, etc.)

[GoodGuyAmes]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yor...First_district

1st district - Tim Bishop College of the Holy Cross, Long Island University
4th district - Carloyn Mcarthy Glen Cove Nursing School
5th District - Gregorgy Meeks Adelphi University, Howard University
6th District - Grace Meng University of Michigan
Cardozo School of Law
11th district - Micheal Grimm Baruch College (B.B.A.)
New York Law School (J.D.

I could go on and on.

About 70% of New York States Politicians are from state schools or little known universitys. Sure you have a sprinkling of ivy league in there but the majority of them are normal blue-blooded schools. If you look at a state like Ohio or Florida then 90% of the politicians are from local schools. Have a look for yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yor...First_district

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go to school to learn

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imho

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[heartbrand]

Hawkins already made philosophy obsolete sry

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Hawkins already made philosophy obsolete sry