Rules for listing at a non-/list camp

Smellybuttface · #1 02-04-2020, 06:03 PM

I wanted to try and clarify the rules for this before potentially posting this in an RnF thread...

This is second-hand information, but trying to get some idea how this works. Hadden camp had two people in line. Individual who was #1 on the list looted his earring, and was going to pass it to the next person on the list but they weren't there. Now the rules as I understand it is that the next person on the list need only be present when the next placeholder/Hadden spawns (which is on a 6-hour spawn). #3 on the list was present at the camp during this time, but evidently (by the rules) couldn't take over the camp even though the next in line hadn't actually showed up yet.

Now cut to 6 hours later, the #2 person shows up prior to the spawn and kills Hadden. He gets his earring. However, SOME sort of altercation occurred between this individual and the person next on the list, and the one who just looted the earring claimed that because HE now had the camp, he could pass it to whoever he wants (thus effectively removing the next person who was on the list, who had been waiting at the camp for around 16 hours already).

Even though this isn't a /list camp, I'm assuming someone can't just "remove" the next person on the list, even if they have some sort of problem with them. They have to honor the list that was in place.

Am I misunderstanding the rules for a non-list camped list? I don't think the #1 on the list can just arbitrarily "remove" someone in order to give it to someone else of their choosing, because there was a list for that camp already in place.

Appreciate any advice or clarity you can provide.

aspomwell · #2 02-04-2020, 06:19 PM

Person #2 is not wrong, but he is an asshole.

edit to clarify: The precedent set (http://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules) does not make any mention of a list, just that he's campable and you don't need to stick around afk for 6 hours to do it. The camp rules also 'state' that the person currently holding the camp can hand it over to anyone he wants, but he has to name a name when asked.

Kirdan · #3 02-04-2020, 08:04 PM

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...just that he's campable and you don't need to stick around afk for 6 hours to do it.

uh no, you do need to stick around in zone for it to remain camped, you don't get to camp it just by logging in before it spawns unless there's nobody there when you log in

Tenudil · #4 02-04-2020, 08:14 PM

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uh no, you do need to stick around in zone for it to remain camped, you don't get to camp it just by logging in before it spawns unless there's nobody there when you log in

How about not the 1st spot? Just holding your position in line? That's the real question here.

aspomwell · #5 02-04-2020, 08:16 PM

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uh no, you do need to stick around in zone for it to remain camped, you don't get to camp it just by logging in before it spawns unless there's nobody there when you log in

I have to admit I've never camped him and don't plan on it, but the 'rule' listed on the link above is ambiguous at best:

Is campable, to get camp you must either A) have previously killed Hadden or B) be the first person waiting at his spawn point

Does A take precedence over B? I would assume so since they ordered it that way. What happens when person 1 killed him 6 hours ago and logs in with 5 minutes to go and person 2 is there? Which one takes precedence?

Not trying to fight, just trying (poorly) to interpret ambiguous rules.

Kirdan · #6 02-04-2020, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aspomwell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to admit I've never camped him and don't plan on it, but the 'rule' listed on the link above is ambiguous at best:

Is campable, to get camp you must either A) have previously killed Hadden or B) be the first person waiting at his spawn point

Does A take precedence over B? I would assume so since they ordered it that way. What happens when person 1 killed him 6 hours ago and logs in with 5 minutes to go and person 2 is there? Which one takes precedence?

Not trying to fight, just trying (poorly) to interpret ambiguous rules.

What you're quoting off the wiki is someone's summary of the rule, it's not authoritative. Read the actual CSR quote about it and it becomes much clearer:

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Hadden is campable.

Just because you have the last time of death and login does not mean that you automatically get the camp. If someone is there you should use common sense and see if they are camping Hadden. If they are, then move along and find something else to do. You are free to check back later to see if the camp is open. This is the same as most other camps in outdoor open areas.

In regards to AFK, you are allowed to go AFK for a reasonable amount of time in between spawns as long as you are there when the MOB spawns.

Finally, a word on FTE and camp disputes. When camp disputes are petitioned we are seldom presented with hard evidence. Essentially these are he said she said type petitions. More often than not, staff becomes involved after the fact. This means we are having to weigh the stories of the stakeholders along with any evidence. Server logs do often come into play. If a player or group is flagged for kill stealing it can muddy the waters.

You still have to follow camp rules to hold a camp, you can't leave the zone or log out and expect to hold the camp unless nobody else is there when you return.

Wallicker · #7 02-04-2020, 06:23 PM

Unfortunately the asshole is correct in this situation as far as any other rulings enforced by a GM I have seen. Name and shame please.

Tenudil · #8 02-04-2020, 06:50 PM

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Unfortunately the asshole is correct in this situation as far as any other rulings enforced by a GM I have seen. Name and shame please.

I can tell you that you won't care to know the name is in your guild. Can also add the he left the zone while on the list, then came back and kept "his" spot. Then this happened.

Wallicker · #9 02-04-2020, 07:03 PM

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I can tell you that you won't care to know the name is in your guild. Can also add the he left the zone while on the list, then came back and kept "his" spot. Then this happened.

Name and Shame!

Ashenden · #10 02-04-2020, 07:03 PM

If #2 wasn't there to obtain the camp from #1 before #1 left the zone, it is #3's camp at that point. He doesn't have until the mob spawns to show up. What on earf.

"The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp."