Monk FD mechanics not classic?

Vasuki · #1 12-01-2016, 10:03 AM

This may be completely wrong, but I was talking to some people and they recall that when monks FD sneaking did not mem/blur the mobs they had aggroed.

I'm not sure if this is correct, do you guys remember sneaking after FD resetting the aggro?

jolanar · #2 12-01-2016, 10:22 AM

It's definitely not classic. On P99 you are all but guaranteed an aggro wipe. On live you'd have to sit and wait for quite a long while for mobs to forget about you, and they wouldn't forget until they were all the way back to their spawn point. I'd guess they know about it but just for whatever reason can't get the coding to work right, maybe a titanium client issue.

Zaela · #3 12-01-2016, 03:57 PM

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I'd guess they know about it but just for whatever reason can't get the coding to work right, maybe a titanium client issue.

No reason why it would be a client issue. The only things about FD and sneak that are client-side are the way they make you immobile and self-snared, respectively. Everything about aggro is purely server-side.

Unless the devs decided to do something radically different, when you successfully FD you are taken off the mobs' hatelists and put into their separate "FD memory" lists. Then there would be certain events where a mob will check its FD memory list and maybe remove players from it (time based, when they reach their spawn point, whatever). And when you stop feigning, FD memory lists would be checked to decide if stuff should aggro you again.

It's unlikely that sneak would interact with the FD memory list at all unless it is deliberate. The only other thing I can think of its the code mistakenly calls a function that should only be used for proximity aggro when trying to add a player that was on the FD memory list back to the hatelist, rather than adding them back to the hatelist more explicitly. Which would make the process look like this:

FD'd player stands up
Player is removed from mob A's FD memory list
Mob A tries to aggro the player, but the player is behind them and sneaking, or they are out of LoS, so it is blocked.
Player gets away scot free.

when it should probably look like this:

FD'd player stands up
Player is removed from mob A's FD memory list
Player is unconditionally added to mob A's hatelist with some amount of aggro (either the initial proxy aggro amount or a remembered value, whatever it's supposed to be).

But that would be both a really obvious mistake and really easy to fix.

Doctor Jeff · #4 12-01-2016, 11:38 AM

On P99, mobs memblur if they lose LoS, but will "remember" their hate if they "see" you again before resetting to their spawn location.

IIRC, on live, mobs had % chances to memblur every tick while you were FD until they reset to their spawn at which point you had a (near?) guaranteed memblur.

Vasuki · #5 12-01-2016, 12:51 PM

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On P99, mobs memblur if they lose LoS, but will "remember" their hate if they "see" you again before resetting to their spawn location.

IIRC, on live, mobs had % chances to memblur every tick while you were FD until they reset to their spawn at which point you had a (near?) guaranteed memblur.

What I was talking about is with lvl 40+ mobs you would have to wait til they got back to their original location regardless of whether you started sneaking in FD

Nibblewitz · #6 12-01-2016, 01:01 PM

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What I was talking about is with lvl 40+ mobs you would have to wait til they got back to their original location regardless of whether you started sneaking in FD

Yes, at higher levels the memblur chance from FD alone diminishes. Monks can FD then sneak, but if your mobs are still facing your general direction when you stand up (even without LoS) they most likely will return.

I am only speaking of p99 mechanics.

Vasuki · #7 12-01-2016, 01:05 PM

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Yes, at higher levels the memblur chance from FD alone diminishes. Monks can FD then sneak, but if your mobs are still facing your general direction when you stand up (even without LoS) they most likely will return.

Right now if I FD let the mobs turn around and press sneak they will not engage and I can tag one of them.

What I am trying to say is, I remember that sneak would under NO circumstance memblur. You would have to wait til one of the mobs was FULLY reset in order to split them. Basically you just needed to desync them until one would reset before the other.

skarlorn · #8 12-01-2016, 01:08 PM

I'd love to see this get nerfed. I could masturbate for am eternity using Iksar monk tears as lube.

mattydef · #9 12-01-2016, 01:22 PM

I was a main puller for a raiding guild on live and I don't remember this ever being a thing.

SoekiWiz · #10 12-01-2016, 01:39 PM

The responses so far are aligned with my memory as well. Lead pull (Iksar mnk) for raid content up through Velious on live. I remember a lot of our pulls would be trying to chain tag shit through one another and hoping to get lucky on social/pathing breaks.