Trump terrorism speech

[big_ole_jpn]

You'll be hearing about this big speech by the big Don. Worth looking into if you were curious what presidential-mode Donald would look like.

"In the old days, when we won a war, to the victor belonged the spoils." dude spitting flames.

[AzzarTheGod]

upboated. watching intently.

[Domo]

Where is his speech about his tax?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where is his speech about his tax?

Nowhere, because I don't think anyone is overly concerned with what Donald is worth.

The reason Hillary and others are pressuring for tax release is because the return will fall short of his self-valuation, or fail to show a complete valuation of his assets which include his brand.

Why does it matter if Trump is not worth exactly as much money as a verbal valuation he gave to the press? He was just making an impromptu estimate. It was not meant to be taken as gospel truth.

Now if he releases his tax, you will scream "LOOK HE LIED! HE IS POOR". When Hillary lies, no one cares and they celebrate her. When Donald Trump exaggerate his value a little bit, you are ready to pitchfork him. There is a double standard and Donald Trump knows this. Why does this matter?

The Don is not going to play this silly game. Hes worth a lot of money, and we can leave it at that. We don't need a tax return figure to pretend that he was dishonest about his self-valuation that he gave to the press.

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where is his speech about his tax?

assuming you're talking about tax returns, not tax policy, but here we go.

tax returns probably reveal tax-evasion schemes like any super-rich individual must take advantage of if he intends to be competitive. Obviously this is irrelevant, but would still be really bad optics when trying to gain the vote of the completely retarded American electorate.

He's trying to win the vote of people who parrot talmudvision arguments like "but ur ties are made in China" when Don's whole persona is about the fact that he has played the game, seen how it's rigged against the American polity in favor of rich individuals, and wants to change it. To paraphrase, he had an obligation to his family and to his company to take advantage of these nasty wrinkles in the system. And if he uses the power he gained from that abuse to fix the system, is he not absolved?

His ingenious electioneering has him in a position where the more successful he was at being a douche in private life, the better he looks as a candidate, but this is the second layer of his persona only accessible to people who have a few brain cells active. There is a lot of plausibility to the idea that he's egomaniacal- and aware-enough of the big picture to act against his own financial interests in order to go down as a great US president, but you have to understand that the majority of USA is not thinking deeply enough to get even to here, and the television/redditsphere can't risk getting even that "intellectual" about the election in front of the debeaked peons so this has to remain an undercurrent.

Reaching the people who can't make it to layer 2 is what the first layer of the Trump public persona onion is for: the dogwhistling, the careful flirtation with racism, the lowbrow Rosie O'Donnell insults (okay I enjoyed those too actually). This is why layer-1 Democrat voters refer to Trump's base as idiot rednecks when he in fact has more crossover appeal than any Republican or Democrat candidate in most of these peoples' lifetimes.

Also as Azzar said, high probability that his self-valuation was high compared with his paper valuation. Another potentially annoying angle he doesn't want exposure to. In reality though, dude has been able to ride his brand and talent to a strong showing as an outsider in an American presidential election -- any thinking person will be willing to concede that his name is worth more than any tax statement will say. But, again, you must realize that layer 2 is not the important one.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

assuming you're talking about tax returns, not tax policy, but here we go.

tax returns probably reveal tax-evasion schemes like any super-rich individual must take advantage of if he intends to be competitive. Obviously this is irrelevant, but would still be really bad optics when trying to gain the vote of the completely retarded American electorate.

He's trying to win the vote of people who parrot talmudvision arguments like "but ur ties are made in China" when Don's whole persona is about the fact that he has played the game, seen how it's rigged against the American polity in favor of rich individuals, and wants to change it. To paraphrase, he had an obligation to his family and to his company to take advantage of these nasty wrinkles in the system. And if he uses the power he gained from that abuse to fix the system, is he not absolved?

His ingenious electioneering has him in a position where the more successful he was at being a douche in private life, the better he looks as a candidate, but this is the second layer of his persona only accessible to people who have a few brain cells active. There is a lot of plausibility to the idea that he's egomaniacal- and aware-enough of the big picture to act against his own financial interests in order to go down as a great US president, but you have to understand that the majority of USA is not thinking deeply enough to get even to here, and the television/redditsphere can't risk getting even that "intellectual" about the election in front of the debeaked peons so this has to remain an undercurrent.

Reaching the people who can't make it to layer 2 is what the first layer of the Trump public persona onion is for: the dogwhistling, the careful flirtation with racism, the lowbrow Rosie O'Donnell insults (okay I enjoyed those too actually). This is why layer-1 Democrat voters refer to Trump's base as idiot rednecks when he in fact has more crossover appeal than any Republican or Democrat candidate in most of these peoples' lifetimes.

Also as Azzar said, high probability that his self-valuation was high compared with his paper valuation. Another potentially annoying angle he doesn't want exposure to. In reality though, dude has been able to ride his brand and talent to a strong showing as an outsider in an American presidential election -- any thinking person will be willing to concede that his name is worth more than any tax statement will say. But, again, you must realize that layer 2 is not the important one.

The only problem I have with your analysis, is your assumption of Trump's good will toward working people. To me, it seems that he wants to be president mostly because he is an egomanic that wants to be president. He's going the conservative race-baiting angle because that gets him votes. He talks about wealth inequality and immigration policy because that gets him votes.

All politicians priority number 1 is to stay in power. This trumps (no pun intended) any other consideration. The big question is, after they finish taking care of number 1, what else are they going to do with what little they can change?

It's possible he gets rid of loopholes and shady business practices. But honestly, I think his track record shows that he will only care about stuff like that as long as it makes him popular. Generally, going after any kind of shady business practice provokes attack adds and bought pundits to rail against you. So to me, it seems unlikely he would do much.

You have to keep in mind...Trump is cynical salesman at heart. He was never working class, and its very generous to consider him in anyway self made given that his fuckin dad was a rich developer just like him (although notably less rich). I don't see how anything in that background signals that he is "on our side" to any degree.

Conservatives mocked young democrats for falling for that hope and change shit Obama peddled. This isn't any different. Trump is full of cheap talk and no expensive signaling. This is just another frontier for him to conquer, and exploiting angry working/middle class white men is just the method of doing it.

Maybe not, maybe he does care. But to me that seems unlikely.

[Domo]

I dont care if Trump is rich or poor, but I hope to see ther evidence that he dont pay the taxes that he should be.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont care if Trump is rich or poor, but I hope to see ther evidence that he dont pay the taxes that he should be.

You won't see it because unfortunately the media intends to attack Trump over the fact that he is not worth as many billions as he stated in a verbal off-the-cuff estimate months ago.

Maybe we will get some partial tax return document, but full disclosure is highly unlikely in the face of liberal media bias. No reason to give them ammo.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You won't see it because unfortunately the media intends to attack Trump over the fact that he is not worth as many billions as he stated in a verbal off-the-cuff estimate months ago.

Maybe we will get some partial tax return document, but full disclosure is highly unlikely in the face of liberal media bias. No reason to give them ammo.

Fox does the same thing to liberals as MSNBC does to conservatives. I've never heard one say "well I can't release my tax returns because Fox is unfair about it."

You know hes not even conservative right? Here's a pro tip. If your one of the few conservatives that bash Donald now, in 3 years when any popularity he has built faded -- you'll be a good position.

Conservatives aren't just losing this election. Every one of those guys that stood next to the racist will be tarred over time. This is what Ryan knows and is trying to avoid spoiling for his own reputation (he obviously wants to run someday).

Just look at the polling: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-5491.html

He doesn't have this...its getting worse for him not better. The e-mail scandal isn't going anywhere outside the republican tent. Neither isbringing up Monica again.

[Metalopolis]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fox does the same thing to liberals as MSNBC does to conservatives. I've never heard one say "well I can't release my tax returns because Fox is unfair about it."

You know hes not even conservative right? Here's a pro tip. If your one of the few conservatives that bash Donald now, in 3 years when any popularity he has built faded -- you'll be a good position.

Conservatives aren't just losing this election. Every one of those guys that stood next to the racist will be tarred over time. This is what Ryan knows and is trying to avoid spoiling for his own reputation (he obviously wants to run someday).

Just look at the polling: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-5491.html

He doesn't have this...its getting worse for him not better. The e-mail scandal isn't going anywhere outside the republican tent. Neither isbringing up Monica again.

Yes the conservatives have Fox News.

Meanwhile the libtards have: ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC and more. This is why there's no reporting of the email scandal.

Even recent email findings by judicial watch, for example, detailing how heads of state were donating millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation within months, weeks, or even days of contacting Hillary's State Dept. via private email channels.

Yeah. Nothin' fishy there at all right?