Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[beentheredonethat]

I have been guilty myself in the past of bind camping someone on RZ. It's not profitable, it was purely payback. Back then it seemed only fair since that individual ganked me twice while I was mid fight vs an orc and alligator.

A lot of these rules can't really be enforced, its a huge pain to try to enforce those, and do end up with tons of complaints anyway since rules like this provide a one sided advantage. Usually if there isn't a profit most people won't do it most of the time. So I would say ok on bind camping.

If you let people rez with full spell bar mana/hp, most bind camping would probably go away too anyway.

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you let people rez with full spell bar mana/hp, most bind camping would probably go away too anyway.

Hahaha holy fuck don't do this. Sup bindrush caster paradise.

[Haul]

The kind of rules that need to be enforced are catching MQ'rs, other variances of cheating, and people who expliot and dupe. Those are the people who are true scum and shitty human beings irl. Wasting man power and resources on training and bind camping, which are proven parts of the game PVP just makes the server into a freaking snitch/whining fest. Real talk.

[Galacticus]

Bind Camping = NO.

Personally I think its silly to consider having this, really the only time this happens is when someone is stupid enough to go afk, or there is exploitation through pvp xp gains from killing them over and over. If you arent afk or exploiting, then why do you keep staying logged on to get killed over and over?

Who gets off on killing afk people?

If your getting legitly bind camped, you cant do shit but log out so thats pretty lame to get forced out of the game. If someone is corpse camping then at least you can still chat to friends to get them to help you or talk to the people on your body to convince them to leave.

Is there a good reason to bind camp someone? Ever? (being a dick to them doesn't qualify as a good reason to me)

Training = NO.

The real issue is that you can't stop people from training. The game is kind of designed with trains in mind, they happen on accident all the time, if you are overwhelmed what other options is there to run to a zone for some classes. With trains being allowed, 1 bard can ruin a raid of 40 people from a train. The issue isnt so much with people in zones grouping or leveling, but more with raids for me. Thats where big problems come up, when people get together to raid, they can be pvped, which is legit. But one or two guys taking out 50 because they can run fast or FD is a big waste of time for the other 40 people who dont play a bard or a class that can fd and go after that person and pvp them so they cant train everyone else. Those two people's fun doesn't equal the 50 trying to raid. Those few players most likely wouldnt have a legit reason to be in that zone since the 40 people came in to raid. If you want to contest a zone, or a raid mob, the way to do it is pvp, and this supports the pvp enviroment as well.

I think when 40 people are gathered waiting to raid and 3 people are stopping them from having a good time would be worth a GM's to come in and stop it.

Most importantly this can subvert the pvp level rules. A 60 can easily train a group of level 10s in blackburrow and grief them for hours if training is allowed, where if its not, that 60 has to get on a level 2-18 to actually do anything to those guys. Again, promoting legit pvp.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Galacticus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bind Camping = NO.



Training = NO.

The real issue is that you can't stop people from training. The game is kind of designed with trains in mind, they happen on accident all the time, if you are overwhelmed what other options is there to run to a zone for some classes. With trains being allowed, 1 bard can ruin a raid of 40 people from a train. The issue isnt so much with people in zones grouping or leveling, but more with raids for me. Thats where big problems come up, when people get together to raid, they can be pvped, which is legit. But one or two guys taking out 50 because they can run fast or FD is a big waste of time for the other 40 people who dont play a bard or a class that can fd and go after that person and pvp them so they cant train everyone else.

I think when 40 people are gathered waiting to raid and 3 people are stopping them from having a good time would be worth a GM's to come in and stop it.

Most importantly this can subvert the pvp level rules. A 60 can easily train a group of level 10s in blackburrow and grief them for hours if training is allowed, where if its not, that 60 has to get on a level 2-18 to actually do anything to those guys. Again, promoting legit pvp.

I think you hit the heart of the playerbase's irritation with training. It's really only a big deal when it halts a guild dead in its tracks. I for one have no problem doing that to enemy guilds if they want training legal, but on a personal level I think it's a real shitty way to play the game. If you don't have what it takes to stop a guild, then you can pester them and slow them down by picking off a cleric or something, but training is just an action someone at the end of their rope uses. It's bullshit. It will happen intentionally, but it's bullshit.

[Rushmore]

someone mentioned this before me but training will kill a lot of massive pvp fights that would have happened if training was illegal.

[Galacticus]

Originally Posted by Rushmore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

someone mentioned this before me but training will kill a lot of massive pvp fights that would have happened if training was illegal.

Very true.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Haul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Allow training and bind camping. Seriously people can make an alt if they getting owned on hardcore. Just come back for corpse hour or 2 later, or the next day if you can't compete. Anything disallowing them is not classic, and just adds to the list for losers to go "im reporting you to GM cause I'm not good enough to play this game and you're better." Shouldn't be rules on this stuff ya'll are just making it more pve like the servers you guys experienced. Training and bind camping are part of EQ pvp.

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no Pvt. Pyle doesn't have a point. We're not advocating no rules. We're advocating as few rules as possible so P99 doesn't put itself in the position SOE was with unenforceable rules.

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I found on live that a good majority of training was unintentional.

This is true, so as I stated earlier, your going to be putting the GMs in charge of deriving INTENT behind actions. This is something that the fucking legal system has not learned how to do after 400years? This is asking for cries of GM favoritism upon every decision made. And you think the nonsense stupid fuck shit about P99's Trak poopsock is bad...

Originally Posted by Rushmore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

someone mentioned this before me but training will kill a lot of massive pvp fights that would have happened if training was illegal.

Neg. If you have a rule against it, then people have to clear to the other group (this only means for large group pvp), which might give that group time to kill NPC X and gate out. It will make people TIMID about pvp. Same as YT, it makes MOST people TIMID about PvP (when there is a chance they lose).

And I dont want to play on a server full of Rushmores, all half fags and scared to engage. I want a frothing cesspool of online rage and violence.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I dont want to play on a server full of Rushmores, all half fags and scared to engage. I want a frothing cesspool of online rage and violence.

No you just want a bunch of trains. Entrance to sebillis is an example someone already used. Some of the best fights happened here. Though if training were allowed this would never happen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4ZuKWWv0q0&NR=1

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your

I'm sure you mean you're, as in you're a moron. I'm sure your memories of running away at the slightest chance of pvp happening stem from your nobody status on tz and your shit guild gating away whenever anyone else tried to contest them. You see, in non pussy guilds you'll actually stay and position yourself to gain the advantage once you see them zone into hate and fight for innoruuk rather than trying to ninja him and gate out. I know, this is a scary and foreign concept to you right?

Really, I'm sure that you must either be the most moronic person on these forums or a troll at this point.

TRAINING MUST BE LEGAL TO PROMOTE MASS PVP HURRRRR.