New Druid Advice from the experts

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The OP literally wants “New Druid Advice from the experts”. As of a few pages ago they were level 15. They don’t need extensive EQ knowledge to know they shouldnt buy a Lumi Staff or an invis ring that wont work until their 40’s. I expect if they had 9,000+ plat they wouldn’t be genuinely asking for advice.

It’s not kind thing to ruin a new player’s thread. If you want to joust windmills and go off-topic, go start a new thread elsewhere.

I completely agree, except for the part about "an invis ring that wont work until their 40’s". The ring works (and is amazing) as soon as you can viably charm fight ... which happens to be almost the same exact level that you can start farming it: the Sarnak Courier is level 14, and Druids get their first charm at ... level 14.

Of course, you won't want to start right at 14 (unless you can find a group in LOIO), and farming it will take a long time (likely many levels). But it seems perfectly fair to suggest that a low-level Druid go get some XP in LOIO ... and possibly pick up one of the only items that will meaningfully increase their leveling speed, in the process.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely agree, except for the part about "an invis ring that wont work until their 40’s". The ring works (and is amazing) as soon as you can viably charm fight ... which happens to be almost the same exact level that you can start farming it: the Sarnak Courier is level 14, and Druids get their first charm at ... level 14.

Of course, you won't want to start right at 14 (unless you can find a group in LOIO), and farming it will take a long time (likely many levels). But it seems perfectly fair to suggest that a low-level Druid go get some XP in LOIO ... and possibly pick up one of the only items that will meaningfully increase their leveling speed, in the process.

Courier camp is rare enough to where it's probably better to just farm the plat. I wouldn't advise someone to farm Goblin R8nf unless they prefer farming their own items over efficiency.

Goblin Ring is good. Nobody said otherwise. Ring of Stealthy Travel is better when you can use it. It is an upgrade when you can afford it, and you can sell Golbin Ring for at least half the cost of Ring of Stealthy Travel.

Yourself and the other posters have still provided no evidence for your claims instant cast invis provides a significant edge for charm breaks. You can keep reposting your opinion, but a better use of your time would be posting evidence.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Courier camp is rare enough to where it's probably better to just farm the plat. I wouldn't advise someone to farm Goblin R8nf unless they prefer farming their own items over efficiency.

Brilliant advice. Don't, you know, do that thing you were going to do anyway (ie. get experience), in a place that could give you an amazing item ...

... instead, get experience somewhere else, then when you're 45 go port a bunch of people around, until you eventually get enough plat to buy the item ... that you could have been using to get the past 25 levels faster.

Again, brilliant advice.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brilliant advice. Don't, you know, do that thing you were going to do anyway (ie. get experience), in a place that could give you an amazing item ...

... instead, get experience somewhere else, then when you're 45 go port a bunch of people around, until you eventually get enough plat to buy the item ... that you could have been using to get the past 25 levels faster.

Again, brilliant advice.

Plenty of people farm plat while XPing instead of the items themselves, especially when the item is quite rare. You'll probably farm 5k killing guards for XP before you get a Ring drop. Typically speaking you can get at least 200pp an hour on guards. So 25 hours plat farming for a guaranteed 5k and XP vs probably at least 25 hours camping the ring, while maybe getting nothing.

I made tens of thousands of plat killing guards for XP between my Shaman and SK.

It's 100% fine if someone wants to camp Goblin Ring while they are leveling up to 25 or so. I am not sure where you read me saying it was a bad idea. That doesn't mean you are going to get a Goblin Ring though. You can read the forums and see people who camped the ring while leveling and didn't get it. If that happens to you you'll need to either farm the item without XP, or get plat from somewhere to buy the ring.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone else wanna tell DSM why no one's gonna be using Lumi Staff in SolB, Chardok, Perma bears, or Kedge?

Another prime example of Bcbrown not reading my posts lol. It's painfully obvious you aren't trying to have a conversation here. I saw your attempted gotcha there, and already replied to it:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the case of being indoors, you can use ES Arms instead. Remember you are getting the mob down to a few hundred HP before breaking charm. Even Drones of Doom will finish off a mob that low in a few ticks after a 300 damage nuke while you med up or prep the next kill.

Please stop spamming the thread for gotchas.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Courier camp is rare enough to where it's probably better to just farm the plat. I wouldn't advise someone to farm Goblin R8nf unless they prefer farming their own items over efficiency.

Goblin Ring is good. Nobody said otherwise. Ring of Stealthy Travel is better when you can use it. It is an upgrade when you can afford it, and you can sell Golbin Ring for at least half the cost of Ring of Stealthy Travel.

Yourself and the other posters have still provided no evidence for your claims instant cast invis provides a significant edge for charm breaks. You can keep reposting your opinion, but a better use of your time would be posting evidence.

My mage did that camp from like 12 to 24 and saw plenty of couriers but no ring. Seeing bloodstone rings in inventories gives me ptsd.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely agree, except for the part about "an invis ring that wont work until their 40’s". The ring works (and is amazing) as soon as you can viably charm fight ... which happens to be almost the same exact level that you can start farming it: the Sarnak Courier is level 14, and Druids get their first charm at ... level 14.

Of course, you won't want to start right at 14 (unless you can find a group in LOIO), and farming it will take a long time (likely many levels). But it seems perfectly fair to suggest that a low-level Druid go get some XP in LOIO ... and possibly pick up one of the only items that will meaningfully increase their leveling speed, in the process.

Im not talking about the one that works at level 5. Im talking about the ones he’s championing for some off-topic reason:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Stealthy_Travel

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not talking about the one that works at level 5. Im talking about the ones he’s championing for some off-topic reason:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Stealthy_Travel

A good piece of equipment for druids in a discussion about druid equipment is off topic? Strange. I'll just post you agreeing with me in this very thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...0&postcount=57

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once a Stealthy ring works I think that could serve as a permanent replacement with a bit of space on a snared pet. Not having to re-target is another nice quality of life improvement. It’s good enough to keep equipped and having a click 2 sec invis can be a life saver.

Agreed!

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A good piece of equipment for druids in a discussion about druid equipment is off topic? Strange. I'll just post you agreeing with me in this very thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...0&postcount=57

Agreed!

Sorry, I meant for me. One of many in this thread who has a 60 Druid.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep dodging the salient points, like the side for Goblin Ring admitting you can save the same nuke mana via Lumi Staff and ES arms at 49+ when you can click Ring of Stealthy Travel.

If you want to continue to ignore my previous posts and dodge all of the relevant points, you can choose to do so. The reader can decide who is more creidble.

You talk about using Lumi Staff for finishing off charm fights and then you talk about credibility. I will stake my credibility as a charming druid that the lumi staff is almost entirely irrelevant for finishing off charm fights. If you have one you're gonna be quadding bloodgills 46-51. After that if you want to charm you're probably going for bats'n'bugs in SolB, Chardok entrance, Perma bear caves, or Kedge for the degenerate masochists. I can guarantee no one is using lumi staff on charm breaks in any of those zones. Maybe EJ or GD isn't completely greened out for a level or two. Maybe if you're charming griffons into hill giants in the karanas? You could possibly use it in EW or WW, but I definitely wouldn't want to be waiting on a 10 second click for 180 damage while xping in WW.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You talk about using Lumi Staff for finishing off charm fights and then you talk about credibility. I will stake my credibility as a charming druid that the lumi staff is almost entirely irrelevant for finishing off charm fights. If you have one you're gonna be quadding bloodgills 46-51. After that if you want to charm you're probably going for bats'n'bugs in SolB, Chardok entrance, Perma bear caves, or Kedge for the degenerate masochists. I can guarantee no one is using lumi staff on charm breaks in any of those zones. Maybe EJ or GD isn't completely greened out for a level or two. Maybe if you're charming griffons into hill giants in the karanas? You could possibly use it in EW or WW, but I definitely wouldn't want to be waiting on a 10 second click for 180 damage while xping in WW.

You lost your credibility then. Your ad populum fallacy is irrelevant too.

The entire argument for instant click invis on Goblin Ring is you can get the mob below a certain amount of HP so you can use a lower cost nuke, thus saving mana. In the case of a Druid, you would probably use a spell like Firestrike (300 damage for 155 mana), so you can save 95 mana by not casting one of your 250 mana nukes.

There is a reason why Shamans buy JBB, Druids buy Lumi Staff, Mages buy Burnt Wood Staff, etc. There is a reason why these items are still thousands of plat in 2025.

I use my 9 second Epic Click in WW all the time. See my youtube channel. Free damage clickies save mana, because a 10 second manaless cast is cheaper than spending the mana and meditating. 95 mana is 5 ticks of meditate, which is 30 seconds. Using a 10 second clickie in this scenario saves 20 seconds of med time. In the case of being indoors, you can use ES Arms instead. Remember you are getting the mob down to a few hundred HP before breaking charm. Even Drones of Doom will finish off a mob that low in a few ticks after a 300 damage nuke while you med up or prep the next kill.

Now, you can claim that Goblin Ring has no risk involved when you get a mob down to sub 300 HP before breaking at the level range where mobs can double attack for 250+ damage. I disagree with that kind of claim. You'd need to provide evidence that the increased risk of losing the mob is worth the mana saving reward, a reward that you could also get via damage clickies at less risk. You'd also need to provide evidence that Ring of Stealthy Travel is less mana efficient than Goblin Ring. I haven't seen any evidence so far, and I've used both Goblin Ring and cast Invis for charm breaks.