Here's the real problem

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said you would never call out the mega guilds with the same reasoning you want to apply to casual players. Telling them to enjoy the game instead of worrying about loots and plat. You want to tell people who are casual play...you only get crumbs and be happy with it peasant.

Nice job doing exactly what I said you would do.

So because someone, for instance, works from home and is single with no kids they should just not do anything in game? So that you can do whatever you want whenever you want?

I really don't see the logic there. And again, even if they did, you still wouldn't make much progression with limited play time because EQ is a game that takes hours upon hours to get what you apparently want (I'm assuming loads of plat, multiple max levels decked out in BIS, etc.).

So, again, when we have limited play time we could either play another game (if BIS everything, loads of currency, etc. are important factors to us), or enjoy playing the game with the limited time we have and be focused on the journey and fun rather than the overall result. I enjoy playing EverQuest and being in Norrath, even if that's grinding on mobs in some random zone without much loot or a ZEM.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want to tell people who are casual play...you only get crumbs and be happy with it peasant.

As opposed to what else, exactly? What are they supposed to do, wave a magic wand and make the folks hoarding content move aside for you? The only people who can do that are the project admins and thus far they don't seem inclined. Barring a change of heart on the admins' part, all you can do is either enjoy the parts of the game that are realistically available to you, change servers, or quit.

A forum rant isn't wholly useless--if enough people quit, if enough people make a stink over it, changes would likely happen. I don't believe for an instant that if "Green" were to drop from, say, ~1400 peak to ~300 within a week that the admins would sit there and do nothing. Look what happened with pet windows last fall--there was a public outcry and the admins did an about-face. Problem is there isn't enough organization or enough people getting sick of things all at once to make that happen. They leave in a slow, steady trickle, never making enough noise for the folks who matter to take sufficient notice. I don't have a workable solution for that.

Danth

[Dremias]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what's funny about this. Everyone always says this to the people who don't have the time to camp all day long. Why don't you take this same shitty reasoning you want to apply to casual players and apply it to the mega guilds and the people who are already 50. Tell them pricks who camp 24/7 to not worry about money and loot and enjoy the journey instead of sitting on camps all damn day....But you don't nor will your ever.

You are exactly right. These people camping all day(even camping mobs that give them zero exp) should consider the other players and help build the community by being considerate of other players. The main problem I see is many of the people doing this just want to take control of the game and horde it.

Sadly, this will end up making people like Silverfalcon and myself leave the game. Instead of building a solid community which would result in some awesome role playing, we have the elite pricks with no life outside of P99 that ruin the experience for old school players like me. This is going to sound ugly, but understand I am making a point, I have a wife, children, a full time job, and events I attend for my family therefore unlike the basement dork, I can't wait all day to camp a mob.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Dremias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are exactly right. These people camping all day(even camping mobs that give them zero exp) should consider the other players and help build the community by being considerate of other players. The main problem I see is many of the people doing this just want to take control of the game and horde it.

Sadly, this will end up making people like Silverfalcon and myself leave the game. Instead of building a solid community which would result in some awesome role playing, we have the elite pricks with no life outside of P99 that ruin the experience for old school players like me. This is going to sound ugly, but understand I am making a point, I have a wife, children, a full time job, and events I attend for my family therefore unlike the basement dork, I can't wait all day to camp a mob.

Again, that's great you have all these things.

Some people don't, this is their thing. Then you come in demanding instant access to things with your little spot of time that they've been sitting at for hours every day.

Not that I'm without family, friends, a career etc - but recognize that.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, that's great you have all these things.

Some people don't, this is their thing. Then you come in demanding instant access to things with your little spot of time that they've been sitting at for hours every day.

Not that I'm without family, friends, a career etc - but recognize that.

I applaud this response. First time I’ve seen some semblance of maturity from you on the forums.

[Silverfalcon]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, that's great you have all these things.

Some people don't, this is their thing. Then you come in demanding instant access to things with your little spot of time that they've been sitting at for hours every day.

Not that I'm without family, friends, a career etc - but recognize that.

Maybe the answer is there should be a cap on the time one can spend at a camp in order to give other people an opportunity at these camps instead of people who have near unlimited time hogging the camp at all times of the day.

[Evets]

Hmm I work 10 hours a day 5 days a week and have a great life for the most part away from EQ. I was able to make friends, form groups and join a good guild and level after work/on some weekend time. Granted it took awhile longer than the neckbeard powergamer but I'm level 50 with almost the best gear for my class (missing dragon loots)

With the server merge I think grouping should be even easier than it was before...

[mcoy]

I haven't had an issue finding things to kill outside of the "hotspot" areas. Last night with ~1400 people on I saw 5 people in NK. There's a wide level range of mobs to kill in that zone - I remember running around targeting specific species of grif(fawns/fennnes/fons) at various levels.

Back in the day, I remember a "good" day playing EQ was one where I didn't camp out with less xp than I logged in with. Sometimes a play session was spent just working on tradeskills, or collecting quest items. I remember exploring dungeons and not knowing what mobs were where because everything would typically be dead in the popular zones.

Do some exploring (and avoid the wiki guides that everyone else is reading) and you'll find things to kill. If you die - shoot me a tell if I'm on (or a PM if I'm not) and I'm happy to run to wherever you've bitten the dust when I can get online.

-Mcoy

[Horza]

Think of all the poor autists like Nirgon, this server is all they've got.

[Prova]

I was generally following you until this line of reasoning. High level campers of stuff like AC is as classic as it comes. They have the absolute right to farm this stuff, just as much as you do.

My larger gripe with the merge is of general overcrowding. I have a 4 month old and fairly low/afk playtime. I accept that my ability to secure the AC camp or rubi is probably quite low. I will admit, I was spoiled being able to generally solo in guktop or high keep for premium xp generally whenever I wanted. I just feel like that chapter in being able to waltz into the choicest zones in the game and have some opportunity to participate is going to largely evaporate. And maybe it should and maybe that's classic.