RnF is boring today, let's talk about Bob guild

[Nikon]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by log [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No the gms specifically told us our input was not wanted at the guilds summit for whatever reason. And again i see no clear rotation agreement defined on the T2 repop proposal that was linked. Why would one agree to said "agreement" when nothing is outlined. How are we to know it is fair?

That does not qualify as a supporting reference, Argh, as it was specifically stated the the GM's told them that.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by log [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think I can make this any more clear "what exactly are we not agreeing to here?"

The 'play nice part'.

Anyway, since this is rants and flames, let me rant a bit: there seem to be a lot of people who are trying to make it seem as though the Tier2 guilds are being assholes about this agreement. Nothing could be further from the truth: I talked to Indignation on Sunday night and am continuing to talk to them (according to Elzhi they should have access to the raid forums soon). I had the following conversations with Lord Bob on Monday morning:

[Mon Jan 06 12:15:42 2014] You told hyjal, 'yo'
[Mon Jan 06 12:19:08 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'hello'
[Mon Jan 06 12:20:27 2014] You told hyjal, 'I just wanted to ask if anyone had chatted with you about the whole tier2 rotation thing'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:10 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'awaiting gm response myself'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:53 2014] You told hyjal, 'what do you mean?'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:54 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'
[Mon Jan 06 12:23:37 2014] You told Hyjal, 'if you don't want to play by the rotation I don't think they'll stop you'
[Mon Jan 06 12:23:38 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'

[Mon Jan 06 12:54:04 2014] Subways tells you, 'was your tell earlier about that teir 2.1 non-sense , cause i know we have targets in mind today'
[Mon Jan 06 12:55:13 2014] You told Subways, 'shrug I just wanted to know ifi you were planning to join the rotation thing, and the answer seems to be no, so we'll plan accordingly'
[Mon Jan 06 12:55:49 2014] Subways tells you, 'im not an officer , and until 5 mins ago i never heard of any teir 2 guild rotation'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:01 2014] You told subways, 'I don't really think going against it will work out for you but <shrug>'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:09 2014] You told subways, 'thats why I asked if you had heard about it'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:27 2014] You told subways, 'well I tried to ask, Hyjal immediately went afk'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:44 2014] Subways tells you, 'not sure im trying to get his phone number'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:51 2014] Subways tells you, 'since he has been afk'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:54 2014] You told Subways, 'my point was this'
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:07 2014] You told Subways, 'if you guys want to join I would support you '
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:21 2014] You told Subways, 'because imo rotations don't work unless you allow people to join that want to'
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:26 2014] You told Subways, 'but youhave to want to'
[Mon Jan 06 12:59:20 2014] Subways tells you, 'will update as soon as i hear from him'
[Mon Jan 06 13:00:01 2014] You told Subways, 'alright'
[Mon Jan 06 13:51:06 2014] Subways tells you, 'aparently he wants no part of that rotation'
[Mon Jan 06 13:56:48 2014] Subways tells you, 'also a GM told him that thread means nothing, guilds can FFA whatever up to 3 targets ect'
[Mon Jan 06 14:08:39 2014] You told subways, 'yes its purely a player agreement. And I was fairly sure he wasn't interested, I just wanted to put it out there and make sure.'

In other words, I tried. And if Lord Bob had said they wanted to reroll targets and join the rotation, I would have supported them even though Qelen somehow snagged VS for us. And if they decided they wanted to join the rotation today I would still support them.

And Argh, you have been starting multiple threads about Knights and Supremacy and such should be in the rotation. If they want to join, they are welcome to talk to us. In the mean time, The Alliance showed up with 5 people. I mean, I am all for low numbers, but come on.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by log [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lord bob wasn't included in any of the "Raid Summit" chats, and don't think that's because we wanted nothing to do with it. We were told our input wasn't wanted. And this TIER 2 COALITION you speak of. Could you kindly link me to where on the forums there was an agreed rotation for tier 2 mobs? thanks

WHO WOULDA THOUGHT IT WAS THE TIER 2 SHIT TALKERS WHOM WERE TOXIC ALL ALONG!?!?

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[khanable]

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WHO WOULDA THOUGHT IT WAS THE TIER 2 SHIT TALKERS WHOM WERE TOXIC ALL ALONG!?!?

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this guy didn't read the thread

[The Situation]

Tier 2 is working great together, with one exception. Looking forward to watching Indignation, Supremacy, and Knight who Say Ni get their targets next while Dolj keeps competing with some imaginary foe.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And Argh, you have been starting multiple threads about Knights and Supremacy and such should be in the rotation. If they want to join, they are welcome to talk to us. In the mean time, The Alliance showed up with 5 people. I mean, I am all for low numbers, but come on.

I started one thread about this. I'm not in here supporting the Doljabronis or any other guilds in dissent of any agreement reached by T2 guilds. We showed up not knowing that there was a rotation enacted (Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help). Seeing the forces amassed by AG and Doljabronis we didn't bother getting anyone else to come. Also, to my knowledge, it wasn't publicly released which targets belonged to which guild. Doing this might relieve any sort of confusion/sniping in the future.

[Erati]

posting targets woulda made it easier for other guilds to screw with it as well

again they posted the raid rules Sun night and the raids were "open" the next day, literally no time to do much of anything in terms of posting

[svenghali]

Be respectful to others. We have wishes and a desired playstyle that differs from yours. Lord bob got excluded from all raid discussions. Lord bob got excluded from the tier 2 rotation. Lord bob wishes to raid. Lord bob doesn't want a rotation. We wiped at 20-25% on our first dragon attempt with 27 ish, 3 clerics, and half of our dps lvl 53 and lacking resist gear.

Show respect and you will be shown respect in return. This is what is lacking from the current raid climate, not some required carebear rotation to allow everyone to faceroll dragon loots.

[The Situation]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I started one thread about this. I'm not in here supporting the Doljabronis or any other guilds in dissent of any agreement reached by T2 guilds. We showed up not knowing that there was a rotation enacted (Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help). Seeing the forces amassed by AG and Doljabronis we didn't bother getting anyone else to come. Also, to my knowledge, it wasn't publicly released which targets belonged to which guild. Doing this might relieve any sort of confusion/sniping in the future.

I thought it was made pretty clear that any capable guild wanting in on the rotation only had to talk to the T2 leaders about it. Why post the targets? The guilds that don't want in the rotation are assumed to either not want a mob, or want to compete. Dolj wanted to compete. I see no point in them knowing that A-Team (one of the smallest T2 guilds) would be at VS (one of the easiest targets).

[The Situation]

Originally Posted by svenghali [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Be respectful to others. We have wishes and a desired playstyle that differs from yours. Lord bob got excluded from all raid discussions. Lord bob got excluded from the tier 2 rotation. .

Lord Bob excluded themselves. A distinction that should be noted.