list system flaw

[Chocolope]

Originally Posted by Tilien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have 3 options:

A) Wait 40 hours for an item nonafk.
B) Wait 40 hours for an item nonafk.
C) Not wait for an item.


You're okay with A and C but not B. Got it.

Option
D) Afk with them and watch a show!

[Jack N]

If you can't solo it and want a BP, come with a friend or two who also want a BP and /list together.

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

List for Ruby BP has to be one of the weirder in-game interactions set up.

as it sits now it seems like groups of friends go down and random the bp mostly so the original game mechanic seems to work better for that camp. let the hostage go!

[Deckk]

Originally Posted by Jack N [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can't solo it and want a BP, come with a friend or two who also want a BP and /list together.

I'd say that the classes that can use it have more right to it than those that don't.

But, having said that, I think taking this off of the list system is probably a better choice. Whoever holds the camp can decide on need vs. greed.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Tilien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

List =/= camp. If someone is camping a room for xp and non list item loot then the listers would technically not be able to kill the room pops unless the campers lost the room.

Hence why you could charm the list mob to use as a pet to farm the non list mobs in or near the camp if it isn't being cleared. If anyone killed it during a charm break they'd be ksing you, even if you're not on the list.

Real talk. You form a group to XP at Ass\Sup. No one in your group needs guise. There is a list of two people sitting there doing nothing. You group's enchanter charms Assassin to use as a monster rogue pet.

List 1 petitions the situation. Do you think a GM isn't going to stop them from doing this? And if they do, doesn't that mean that list IS the camp?

[Chocolope]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Real talk. You form a group to XP at Ass\Sup. No one in your group needs guise. There is a list of two people sitting there doing nothing. You group's enchanter charms Assassin to use as a monster rogue pet.

List 1 petitions the situation. Do you think a GM isn't going to stop them from doing this? And if they do, doesn't that mean that list IS the camp?

Working as designed. List is list, FTE rules apply to the camp if they sitting there not engaging for extended duration, charm away. I hope this happens.

[Jack N]

I agree that a group can better determine how to distribute the BP, however, the issue is more that some groups of people will attempt to hold such a camp in permanence with rotating shifts of people. I would say we should remove Rubi BP camp from /list if we can solve that issue.

[Tilien]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Real talk. You form a group to XP at Ass\Sup. No one in your group needs guise. There is a list of two people sitting there doing nothing. You group's enchanter charms Assassin to use as a monster rogue pet.

List 1 petitions the situation. Do you think a GM isn't going to stop them from doing this? And if they do, doesn't that mean that list IS the camp?

If they aren't engaging the monsters they aren't camping the spawn. If they aren't camping the spawn, I can.

If list=camp this has wild implications for camp rules. Like... I'm camping the Ghoul Magi right now. No, I'm not AT the Ghoul Magi, so please report whoever is KSing me.

Edit: Further, does this mean if I hit the #1 spot the charm farming becomes valid in your mind?

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Tilien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they aren't engaging the monsters they aren't camping the spawn. If they aren't camping the spawn, I can.

If list=camp this has wild implications for camp rules. Like... I'm camping the Ghoul Magi right now. No, I'm not AT the Ghoul Magi, so please report whoever is KSing me.

Edit: Further, does this mean if I hit the #1 spot the charm farming becomes valid in your mind?

You say you can; but, there is no way a GM is going to let you charm a ghoul assassin while there is a list. Which means I don't think you can.

Don't know what you mean with Magi, he isn't a list mob? But the point I THINK you're trying to make is - given my assertion that list=camp - people can't ks a mob you are listing? I think there is a lot of gray area that has been created by the list system. The scenario I think is going to happen in a month is ass\sup is going to become a complete free for all. You will have 8 level 50s in the room, as soon as mobs spawn they are going to obliterate them. Doesn't matter that there is a group trying to do ass\sup. And those 50's are gonna be killing assassin and supplier. Any 50 could waltz in and under the guise (get it) of /list KS assassin and supplier.

[Tilien]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You say you can; but, there is no way a GM is going to let you charm a ghoul assassin while there is a list. Which means I don't think you can.

Don't know what you mean with Magi, he isn't a list mob? But the point I THINK you're trying to make is - given my assertion that list=camp - people can't ks a mob you are listing? I think there is a lot of gray area that has been created by the list system. The scenario I think is going to happen in a month is ass\sup is going to become a complete free for all. You will have 8 level 50s in the room, as soon as mobs spawn they are going to obliterate them. Doesn't matter that there is a group trying to do ass\sup. And those 50's are gonna be killing assassin and supplier. Any 50 could waltz in and under the guise (get it) of /list KS assassin and supplier.

The point is that if the list is a camp I can camp mobs without proximity to them OR clearing them.. such as the random Ghoul Magi I mentioned. And I would agree that if the /listers are clearing the mobs there is no way you can even argue you can take the mob as a camp, but from posts there seem to be a lot of times this doesn't happen.

The same GM who forces you to release the charm pet will essentially be validating that you can hold a camp without clearing mobs... sure /list makes it "special", but this is a very bad precedent to set.