Spells: Spell issues: Consolidated

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The goal was to start small and get feedback on the changes to see how they played out. Disease cloud has a lot more extra hate than any other spell with one poison or disease counter. I didn't bring it down to 10 because I didn't want to make a drastic change to a primary threat spell. But it doesn't seem to be getting applied all at once, from what I see with #hatelist. So I probably won't use the extra hate field for threat modifications in the future.

The adjustments to reduce the hate of spells with disease counters didn't happen until April and May of 2002, because shaman were just getting abused. There may have been other adjustments, I will keep looking, but those are the only ones I have found in patch notes, and it matches with my personal experience on live.

Disease cloud really did have crazy snap aggro to it all through classic. I left my shadow knight at level 52 to do Nagafen all through Velious, in fact he is still only 53 on live today despite being created in 1999. I could take aggro from level 60s with velious era weapons who had been engaged for 5-10 seconds with a single disease cloud.

I only messed around for about an hour on the test server, but I found disease cloud to be 100% ineffective at generating aggro at level 51 grouped with various others from level 46 to 53. I'll be happy to do some more detailed testing on thursday or friday this week. I'd be interested in doing some testing with you Uthgaard if we could find a time agreeable for both of us.

[Uthgaard]

I wasn't trying to nerf disease cloud. I was trying to test a method for balancing out spell aggro on the whole. But the extra hate field is being calculated wrong. Instead of being added to the running aggro calc for the spell, it's replacing all previous aggro calcs with whatever is in the field.

[Duma]

The slow component in Selo's Consonant Chain no longer seems to be working.

[Gorgetrapper]

For a quick test, I hopped on my lvl 20 cleric and I was in highpass hold. I rooted a gnoll champion, a DB mob to me, and the spell lasted full duration. Let it come to me, hit me for a little bit, then rooted it again, lasted full duration. No resists etc. So for anyone else, the RNG is being bad for you.

[Xadion]

Shadow Sight has seem to have lost its see invs portion- as dead eye (the lower equivilant) has kept its see invs portion.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=90

I remeber it always giving see invs on classic +

-------

And not to get into it, but yes D-Cloud agro was a specific nerf that happend either late kunark or velious- shortly before they gave SKs their own "Agro" line of spells.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a quick test, I hopped on my lvl 20 cleric and I was in highpass hold. I rooted a gnoll champion, a DB mob to me, and the spell lasted full duration. Let it come to me, hit me for a little bit, then rooted it again, lasted full duration. No resists etc. So for anyone else, the RNG is being bad for you.

Did something change between Sunday and today? Because what I was seeing was way beyond any sort of RNG shitstorm. Last time I logged on (Sunday), mobs in the 32-33 range simply could not be rooted by my 38 chanter.

[Gibcarver]

I am a 50 SK and was PLing a rogue friend in the mistmoore graveyard so I figured I would try some tests on the agro capacity of my spells.
to try and standardize i picked one set of glyphed familiars to use as my test subjects.
One cast pulling the mob with my back turned and a rogue using harpoons(no procs) yielded:
Disease cloud held agro for 20 % of the mob's life
Siphon strength held agro for 60 % of the mobs life
traditionally disease cloud will hold agro off a low level indefinitely. I didn't play a SK on live but I was in groups getting PL'd by SKs tanking with one dc back in kunark.
I hope that is helpful for your tuning.

[Rubyt]

I don't want to piss anyone off but I just got on my low lvl druid saw her ds was 5mins. Clicked it off and cast her ds and it said 1 min. Then I camped and came back and moused over the ds and it said 5min. So I clicked it off and cast it again and it said 1 min. Then I came here lol I haven't been playing her since the ds problem...Im playing in Steamfont. I don't know why I'm so lucky to be having this problem...very confusing

[Striiker]

I had Harm Touch resisted by a blue Ghoul in Unrest last night. I always thought it was not resistible. Disease cloud is still VERY weak on generating aggro (compared to the old days). It takes a few casts of this PLUS other spells and taunting to get mobs onto me and even then, sometimes it's impossible to do.

[Uthgaard]

Everything listed here is either fixed or working as intended.