Socialized Medicine - Let's Discuss!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If my opinion differs from yours I must not understand the subject!

Good day sir

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

opinions are different than knowledge. i did not comment on your opinion, i questioned your knowledge.

my good chum

This is a very important point that most people don't seem to understand.

[Sage Truthbearer]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in fact i prefer the system where I'm not forced to pay for other irresponsible people's healthcare

Don't you already pay for people's healthcare though? I mean, if you have health insurance, your monthly premiums are going to pay for other people's healthcare. That's how insurance works.

People without insurance just end up in the emergency room where they will get treated and the costs will shift onto someone else. Who do you think pays for that?

Is there a first-world, developed country where people don't pay for other people's healthcare? It seems to me that Americans already pay for other people's care, we just do it in the most inefficient, expensive way possible.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Sage Truthbearer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't you already pay for people's healthcare though? I mean, if you have health insurance, your monthly premiums are going to pay for other people's healthcare. That's how insurance works.

People without insurance just end up in the emergency room where they will get treated and the costs will shift onto someone else. Who do you think pays for that?

Is there a first-world, developed country where people don't pay for other people's healthcare? It seems to me that Americans already pay for other people's care, we just do it in the most inefficient, expensive way possible.

That is exactly true... It's obvious that Bazia doesn't understand this at all, and was just repeating talking points he heard/read somewhere once.

[maskedmelon]

In a national healthcare setting, would anyone be opposed to linking tax burden with risk and/or usage, perhaps with discounts (credits/deductions) for healthful endeavors?

[Danth]

I oppose that sort of thing. I don't even like seeing penalties for smokers. Government being government, such policies inevitably lead to a slippery slope of ever-increasing penalties and restrictions, as well as financial motivations to avoid fixing the penalized behaviors. I instead prefer to accept a certain element of inefficiency within the system.

Danth

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a national healthcare setting, would anyone be opposed to linking tax burden with risk and/or usage, perhaps with discounts (credits/deductions) for healthful endeavors?

already the case, lots of taxes on tobacco products for example

[Ahldagor]

Wait, are we getting to the point on this piece of yarn where some folks are begininng to realize that the systems in place were thought out by folks that are actually pretty smart and have considered multiple notions on how something could, should be implemented, so in doing so we end up with what is present?

[maerilith]

Ppl should be able to afford reasonable healthcare in a reasonable economy were the rule of law is fair and just for all.

I honestly don't care how that happens.

But a lot of assholes don't respect their country and fellow Americans and are happy denying them access to basic perks of civilization.

[Karkona]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. How is it less selfish to take something for nothing than it is to refuse to give something for nothing?

It is not selfish to refuse. If I give a homeless man a dollar—THAT is selfish of me. The reason is because I give him the dollar because in return I get something. Whether that something is divine rewards in heaven or boosting my self-esteem the fact remains I did it for some form of gain for myself. I did it because I wanted to. I had to fulfill my desire to give him my money.

With the exceptions of sleeping, eating, going to the bathroom—everything else in life is a selfish action.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not selfish to refuse. If I give a homeless man a dollar—THAT is selfish of me. The reason is because I give him the dollar because in return I get something. Whether that something is divine rewards in heaven or boosting my self-esteem the fact remains I did it for some form of gain for myself. I did it because I wanted to. I had to fulfill my desire to give him my money.

With the exceptions of sleeping, eating, going to the bathroom—everything else in life is a selfish action.

Aristotle, Nichomachean Ethics