How is hybrid hate these days?

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you're not healing the ranger. The warrior sucks up damage and actually heals up well enough w/o fast health drops. They "can tank" but your healer is going to be 0m much of the time... which means less heals for you and slower pulls overall. Ranger should be on MA/dps, rooting mob breaks towards the casters, keeping just enough aggro but not too much to start loosing tons of health to burn healer mana. Casters also need to watch aggro and get timing down, especially wizards [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
And it doesn't really get any better with expansions, ranger is just no tank (well probably on live everyone is a MT now). That's just how they're built, like round peg in square hole if trying to be the MT. Stop trying to sell them off as a tank, it does them/the class no real service compared to what they can actually do well.

70% slow = ranger can not only tank, but has excellent snap/sustained threat. They have parry, dodge and riposte, albeit at a lower cap than a warrior.

If the chanter is actually paying attention and turns off his netflix/youporn tab, a quick AE mez and a slow on the main target in case of a critical lull resist can do wonders.

Once the camp is broken or you only have 1 or 2 adds once in a while though, it's GG.

[Brutal_X]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

70% slow = ranger can not only tank, but has excellent snap/sustained threat. They have parry, dodge and riposte, albeit at a lower cap than a warrior.

If the chanter is actually paying attention and turns off his netflix/youporn tab, a quick AE mez and a slow on the main target in case of a critical lull resist can do wonders.

Once the camp is broken or you only have 1 or 2 adds once in a while though, it's GG.

Monks can do this without an enchanter. Although I will agree that Ranger's are probably better outdoor pullers. Although this entirely depends on skill as Range is totally based on skill.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Brutal_X [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks can do this without an enchanter. Although I will agree that Ranger's are probably better outdoor pullers. Although this entirely depends on skill as Range is totally based on skill.

Exactly my point.

Tanking is two things: Having enough hitpoints to soak up the damage and keep the mob on you.

Slow makes "having enough hp" trivial, anybody can tank a slowed mob. Monks don't have snap agro abilities or taunt, they use pure dps. Rangers have plenty of abilities to keep the mob's attention on them.

Of course if you don't have a slower in your group, paladin is the best group tank, followed by SK, then warrior.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

70% slow = ranger can not only tank, but has excellent snap/sustained threat. They have parry, dodge and riposte, albeit at a lower cap than a warrior.

Pretty much this thinking leads to group wipes... or just a ranger that quits getting heals and told to step back to bandage themselves and let the tanks take back aggro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dood my ranger can soooo tank! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much this thinking leads to group wipes... or just a ranger that quits getting heals and told to step back to bandage themselves and let the tanks take back aggro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dood my ranger can soooo tank! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Literally any non-int caster can tank most mobs that are 70% or 75% slowed, and Rangers are maybe second to only Monks among combinations of aggro and DPS. There are situations where it works well.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you're not healing the ranger. The warrior sucks up damage and actually heals up well enough w/o fast health drops. They "can tank" but your healer is going to be 0m much of the time... which means less heals for you and slower pulls overall.

This is simply not true. On this server, there is almost no group content short of HS (and arguably HS North is doable depending on group makeup) that a ranger can't tank with negligible difference to a warrior, assuming the group has even just enchanter slow.

By the same token, I've seen warriors in full crafted tank Chef and Disco in seb, replacing the typically hate/cobalt mix you see, and nothing change with regard to exp gain. Mobs just really aren't that difficult if players are even remotely competent.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is simply not true. On this server, there is almost no group content short of HS (and arguably HS North is doable depending on group makeup) that a ranger can't tank with negligible difference to a warrior, assuming the group has even just enchanter slow.

By the same token, I've seen warriors in full crafted tank Chef and Disco in seb, replacing the typically hate/cobalt mix you see, and nothing change with regard to exp gain. Mobs just really aren't that difficult if players are even remotely competent.

uh-huh... Just like tonight, our group got wiped, ranger not paying attention and thinking he's a tank while he sucks up everyones heals. Then goes all pissy ballistic when he goes down after fumbling into someones else's death train (and he got warned it was there) dragging them onto us thinking the healers can keep him up. Rangers pown as tanks! Obviously the healers fault [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Oh well, what can you expect from rangers in pugs I guess. You guys insisting rangers are tanks, yeah I'm sure are bad. And sadly I see a lot of that in-game.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

uh-huh... Just like tonight, our group got wiped, ranger not paying attention and thinking he's a tank while he sucks up everyones heals. Then goes all pissy ballistic when he goes down after fumbling into someones else's death train (and he got warned it was there) dragging them onto us thinking the healers can keep him up. Rangers pown as tanks! Obviously the healers fault [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Oh well, what can you expect from rangers in pugs I guess. You guys insisting rangers are tanks, yeah I'm sure are bad. And sadly I see a lot of that in-game.

most of the rangers i meet at this point (i'd say at least 4 out of 5) are hella twinked projects...and they generally are played by very competent aware players.

i'm not denying that your ranger was crap...but its def the exception from the ones i've played with this summer.

[Brutal_X]

I don't think it's so much that Rangers are bad... but there are other classes that are just so much better. Sure, Rangers can be good if the controller is very skilled but then and only then are they really effective. Most classes are much more simple with a better outcome in the end. Saying a Ranger is better than a Rogue DPS wise is silly if they are equally skilled.

[a_gnoll_pup]

Some groups won't take me because I am a bard, and rightfully so tbh

It's classic.