OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO - Page 66

Tyym · #**651** 01-01-2014, 07:33 PM

I am not trying to exclude people from participating. But its going to get awfully ugly with 30 people in a channel everyone with a different opinion. Lets face it, there are X encounters in a 30 day cycle. Even if we went with Divinity's proposal, there are still a large number of guilds that will never see a kill of any type. Whether it is because they have too few people, their levels are too low, they don't have the experience, it doesn't matter. The people who should be negotiating are the guilds that: A) Stand to be adversely affected by the change or B) Who significantly benefit from the change.

Morphius

Hitpoint · #**652** 01-01-2014, 07:34 PM

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I put the offered proposal from the other day down on paper and this is what I get, 35/35 split. Obviously using no-variance but you could easily put a sub-rotation into that for tier 2 guilds that want to do that and not force a sillybilly rotation upon those that don't.

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Smoke and mirrors.

YendorLootmonkey · #**653** 01-01-2014, 07:34 PM

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Would really like to respond but this is just a never ending battle... You want... Meh.. Nvm..

GG

No, go ahead... please tell me how the situation in which Taken got VS this last spawn is anything like how it would have been prior to TMO's raid suspension with both TMO and FE/IB gunning for it, too.

Mezzmur · #**654** 01-01-2014, 07:38 PM

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I put the offered proposal from the other day down on paper and this is what I get, 35/35 split. Obviously using no-variance but you could easily put a sub-rotation into that for tier 2 guilds that want to do that and not force a sillybilly rotation upon those that don't.

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I did more counting. Lets assume these numbers and perfect spawns and compare Divinity's Plan vs TMO/FE Proposal.

In the first 14 days of a month (I'll even count Day 15 and pray for the variance advantage).....

That's 38 mobs in the "snake draft" and the draft is now supposing 9 guilds. (probably a low number) 38 / 9 = 4.2222. That's 4.2 mob per guild that's not TMO/FE/IB or however that shakes out.

However, when TMO/FE/IB doesn't compete for mobs in the other proposal its 35 / 7 = 5.

Durka · #**655** 01-01-2014, 07:38 PM

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No, go ahead... please tell me how the situation in which Taken got VS this last spawn is anything like how it would have been prior to TMO's raid suspension with both TMO and FE/IB gunning for it, too.

It would have been FTE like any other day, we just had the force there. And nobody there to train us to get the mob either. That was a little backhanded, but its true. Without TMO/FE/IB at that camp, we were able to kill the mob without being wiped by some 'accidental' train.

Emile · #**656** 01-01-2014, 07:39 PM

If you guys need a cleric for your xp group tomorrow+, PM me!

Hitpoint · #**657** 01-01-2014, 07:44 PM

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It would have been FTE like any other day, we just had the force there. And nobody there to train us to get the mob either. That was a little backhanded, but its true. Without TMO/FE/IB at that camp, we were able to kill the mob without being wiped by some 'accidental' train.

If FE/IB and TMO were there, any accidental train would be squashed without any problem. On the server repop we had a massive train at VS. Which we killed immediately without deaths. Trains happen when idiots try and run from the zone in and don't know how to get there without agro. Despite what you may have heard TMO and FE/IB do not purposely train each-other at VS. Accidental trains are petitonable too though.

Durka · #**658** 01-01-2014, 07:49 PM

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If FE/IB and TMO were there, any accidental train would be squashed without any problem. On the server repop we had a massive train at VS. Which we killed immediately without deaths. Trains happen when idiots try and run from the zone in and don't know how to get there without agro. Despite what you may have heard TMO and FE/IB do not purposely train each-other at VS. Accidental trains are petitonable too though.

Oh trains happen, trust me I have wasted hours recovering from those accidents. No way to point the finger anywhere though, people have gotten good at disguising who did it. Nevertheless, I brought this even more off topic.

Have the other guild leaders officially turned down this proposition?

YendorLootmonkey · #**659** 01-01-2014, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would have been FTE like any other day, we just had the force there. And nobody there to train us to get the mob either. That was a little backhanded, but its true. Without TMO/FE/IB at that camp, we were able to kill the mob without being wiped by some 'accidental' train.

Oh, I know that and you know that... I was asking Fuddwin since he seems to not understand why guilds like ours haven't done that prior to now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The answer obviously being maintaining a force there XPing/poopsocking for a 96+ hour variance for a 1 in 2 shot vs. a 1 in 4 shot are drastically different risk vs reward constructs, especially against two guilds who know all the tricks, are up to DA stall tank, etc.

Mezzmur · #**660** 01-01-2014, 07:50 PM

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Oh trains happen, trust me I have wasted hours recovering from those accidents. No way to point the finger anywhere though, people have gotten good at disguising who did it. Nevertheless, I brought this even more off topic.

Have the other guild leaders officially turned down this proposition?

This was the proposal brought up last summit to the other guilds. It was flatly rejected afaik. This is the SAME proposal that was offered by the OP, but 10 days instead of 7 days.

I think pictures and numbers help people understand better than just reading it.