Vox PUG starting 6/14/10

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Abacabb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't doubt my crew, if we got the CR/MR resists and we can keep her cheals to a minimum to not at all we're golden

I dont speak for my guild, but do it bro. I hope you guys actually get the kill done!!

The one problem that you dont seem to get is that its the same thing gwence said.

Sounds really, really easy. just keep her ch's to a minimum and your gtg...

Heh. Good luck = ) Naggers would be much easier for a group of 22.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"raid force" and "guild" are now synonyms for the purposes of determining raid rules?

They have been for quite some time. Raid leaders were present when this working was decided and agreed upon. This is how DA at one time was able to claim a raid target with 14 of their own members and 2 from outside their guild. The total of the raid force was 16 and that was legit.

And that was the first time 2 guilds joined forces to take on a mob.

This is why, as the devs have posted it like 3 times in this thread, pick up raids are completely legit. Even if a guild has issue with it it is that guild who will loose the devs decision should they break a raid rule to steal a 15+ person PuG's target and get petitioned.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by guineapig

pick up raids are completely legit

Exactly! Any raid will do as long as they can follow the rest of the rules.

As of right now the climate isn't setup to appropriately deal with pick up raids. Perhaps a little later down the road we will see a more reasonable approach for anyone who wishes to attempt raid encounters. I am not surprised that a guild came in to camp for second claim, nor am I surprised that the initial raid force was discouraged. That's how it feels when the raiding guilds go after the same target: if you're not breathing down someone else's neck, you aren't raiding.

[Taluvill]

The biggest thing to remember, for a pickup raid, ESPECIALLY in a very popular zone like sol b, is that your entire "pick-up" raid force has to stay at the fg staging area and be ready to pass a role call when shit spawns. The problem is that just anyone can respond to a role call from royals or efreeti or something, and anything could easily be faked for anything.

just 2c

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that was the first time 2 guilds joined forces to take on a mob.

You already forget the Transcendence + Divinity zergs of olde?

[Otto]

I still don't understand why you think lots of the top end raiders want these rules and not a first to engage/ffa raid environment.

[rioisk]

I support FFA. Total and utter FFA. Any rules only distorts incentives/behavior of the players. Allow training. Allow trying to out-DPS. If there is no direct PvP allow indirect. This "playing nice" currently benefits those who play the most.

[rioisk]

Don't worry Abacabb, I think by Kunark the Devs will understand.

[RKromwell]

I still don't get it, why Vox? That is one tough bitch. I saw her eat group after group of people who were sitting on 56 for months just so they could get that kill in. Pick up raids can be fun but man this might be too much sandwich for you.

[Alawen Everywhere]

He already failed. There's no group of 22. It's just Abacab on Dukat pretending he's camping Vox. Alone. By himself.

Get the hint yet, loser?