Best tank class (group edition)

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, rangers are just mediocre dps. I parse groups. I parse raids. Rangers are just not that good at dps. Great class, but not stellar dps. DPS for ranger is solidly middle of the road.

Olay, but are you parsing a bunch of rangers walking on eggshells trying not to take aggro away from a warrior and fucking the entire raid, or are you parsing rangers purposely tanking things and throwing caution to the wind?

Alleriah, are you going balls to the wall DPS when you're not Trueshotting on raids? I know I turned off auto-attack every now and then to make sure I didn't out-aggro the MT.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Zarza

Enchanter is best tanker in group contents if you geared

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More seriously, I'm with Astuce. It's clearly bard who gets 252 defense, plate armor, infinite manaless snap aggro, and gives the cleric 25-35% mana per tick. I took my bard to 52 mostly as a tank and it's pretty disgustingly good. The only question is whether the bard is more effective as a tank or puller.

One of the most interesting parts of playing on TAKP was chatting to people with different stereotypes. People really overrate pure melee here I think. They are great for raiding, but pretty average while leveling.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More seriously, I'm with Astuce. It's clearly bard who gets 252 defense, plate armor, infinite manaless snap aggro, and gives the cleric 25-35% mana per tick. I took my bard to 52 mostly as a tank and it's pretty disgustingly good. The only question is whether the bard is more effective as a tank or puller.

Mana-less aggro is an advantage that should not be overlooked. Any of the other hybrid classes have to significantly curtail their spellcasting activity in a chain-pulling environment with little or no time to sit, especially if outside mana regeneration is not present.

I surmise part of the problem with Bards might be what I mentioned previous: They're wildly inconsistent in terms of quality, and it's a good bet a lot of folks have rarely or never seen a good one. The gap between a mediocre Bard and a good one is larger than for nearly any other class.

Danth

[elwing]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mana-less aggro is an advantage that should not be overlooked. Any of the other hybrid classes have to significantly curtail their spellcasting activity in a chain-pulling environment with little or no time to sit, especially if outside mana regeneration is not present.

Valid concern... But as a sk, at 10mana a pop for DC, I am mana challenged for lot of things but not for agro... If I just do agro I can tank all the day without med nor C...

[FatherSioux]

I want more tales of Paladins saving the day, best part of this thread by far.

[Cen]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want more tales of Paladins saving the day, best part of this thread by far.

On that note:

"Why Paladin is the best class"
https://youtu.be/GpSKPq3mTHM

Its not specific P99 but if anyone wants inspiration listen to this guy for 6 minutes

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Alleriah

Tanking group content in Classic EverQuest is trivial, therefore the highest dps class with snap aggro, Ranger, wins

So I'm definitely on board with this. If you have an Enchanter, Cleric, and Shaman backing you up, literally any class can tank. Rangers will outdamage all of the other hybrids while still keeping the group smooth.

However, I do feel like it's a bit of a false dilemma: it's an offensively oriented class joining a defensively oriented group. A Paladin would be much happier if the Shaman was swapped for a Mage or Necromancer or just another Rogue. And in general full groups are boring.

What if we cut the Shaman and just go Enchanter/Cleric/Tank? Suddenly this calculation gets a lot more interesting. The Enchanter won't have enough mana to cc, slow every mob, and still charm a boss pet. As far as joining this trio it depends a lot on how critical the splits are. In a tough area, probably SK > MNK > WAR > PAL > BRD > RNG. In an easier area, maybe BRD > PAL > WAR > SK > RNG > MNK.

[aaezil]

lol at people saying ranger

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol at people saying ranger

Lol at people ignoring mob dying faster = less damage taken overall.

[Crede]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=108428

See this in defense of the pally post. Classic.