End of the rotation?

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if we wanted more pixels, we wouldn't voluntarily rotate every mob in class R with ten guilds...which we have for the last year.

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[Argh]

Originally Posted by wycca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can anyone say with a straight face that this crap isn't about increasing pixel flows to BDA/Taken/Divinity?

No, didn't you know that the smaller guilds have been pulling the strings in FAP for so long implementing rules weighted in their favor to game the system, even though under every different ruleset (blackouts, mulligans, etc) Taken/BDA/Divinity have gotten more mobs than everyone else?

[wycca]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if we wanted more pixels, we wouldn't voluntarily rotate every mob in class R with ten guilds...which we have for the last year.

Unless you ALSO want protected, competition-free pixels...then it all fits. Which is also why the entire new proposal also makes complete sense as long as you keep those two things in mind. The heart of your new non-negotiable proposals is, after all, walled gardens to keep the best pixels out of the hands of the smaller guilds, and all 100% competition-free. This is why you aren't in Class C, and instead why you're trying to bully smaller Class R guilds into giving up the best mobs unless they meet your crazy demands.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by wycca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless you ALSO want protected, competition-free pixels...then it all fits. Which is also why the entire new proposal also makes complete sense as long as you keep those two things in mind. The heart of your new non-negotiable proposals is, after all, walled gardens to keep the best pixels out of the hands of the smaller guilds, and all 100% competition-free. This is why you aren't in Class C, and instead why you're trying to bully smaller Class R guilds into giving up the best mobs unless they meet your crazy demands.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can't kill Gore why should be excepted from anything other than Gore? Serious question.

I said this a few pages ago. If they can't kill Gore and Tal, take em off the rotation for those mobs. No reason they cant continue to kill sev, inny, CT, trak, vs, etc. This is why it looks like you guys are trying to snatch more pixels. Dont fault the other guilds because the devs made the hardest mobs have the shittiest loot.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if we wanted more pixels, we wouldn't voluntarily rotate every mob in class R with ten guilds...which we have for the last year.

Funny, make it sound like they are your mobs to give away. Sound familiar?

[towbes]

I finally made it to the end of this thread and I still am not sure what I believe. But thanks for helping me waste an hour of work time!

+1

[Throndor]

How can 3/10 guilds disband the rotation? Why don't the other 7 of you just say we have a majority vote that says the rotation is still intact. Failing to continue to abide by previously agreed upon rotation is a violation of the rotation agreement you entered into and as such is grounds for raid suspension per GM reinforced Class R Raid policies.

You're in class R, you chose to be in Class R, there's no other choice but to move up to class C or fade into obscurity. How does 3/10 guild decision to opt-out of the agreed upon raid nuances constitute a ruling vote for the dissolution of the Class R raid rotation entirely, and if the CLass R raid rotation was made to ensure an equitable distribution than how does it justify its continued existence while violating the premise upon which it was created?

If you dissolve the rotation, you dissolve the tier entirely and the server is 100% class C. Otherwise ur just saying you deserve to quarantine 33% of the raid content from TMO and IB to split amongst the three of you, and to hell with the other 7 guilds upon which the rotation was founded to support.

[Fianna]

Throndor, while the class system (C,R,FFA) is GM enforced, the rotation in R is not. Basically BDA, Taken and Divinity are saying if the other guilds do not agree, they will just kill everything in R themselves.

[Culkasi]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get - the gap between R and C suddenly became significantly shorter, without making R nearly as cutthroat as C is.

Anyway, its been a very sad week, and I appreciate that to many people on the server its a good laugh - but we have collectively worked very hard for this in the past year, and like anything good, its sad to see it dissolve, for whatever reason, and see much of the hard work put into building relationships and making it work be tossed aside because we can't find a common ground.