Epic Camp Handoffs

[Doublestep]

amelinda this enchanter wouldnt give me a clarity when i told him to ban pls

[Sizzle]

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogues so far (with the exception of TMO) have been respecting the informal pickpocket line.

That really goes for mages too, I have had nothing but good experiences sharing camp with all the mages that I have come across so far. It almost makes me feel that this server isn't full of a bunch of grown up children after all [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].... Almost...

[Szeth]

I do not share. Stay away from monk camps. French people have already resorted to training me, but they killed their group instead.

[fischsemmel]

Oh, nevermind.

[Kassel]

Originally Posted by Szeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not share. Stay away from monk camps. French people have already resorted to training me, but they killed their group instead.

Frenchies gonna french.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

solving things themselves or manning (womaning) up and dealing with the person they have a problem with.

WOOT, when the tears start rolling, i'll direct them to you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sodapop]

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[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Rikimeru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

play on red server, problem solved!!!

I wouldn't trade this bad situation for the other that lies in wait for them.

(Being brought to justice by Officer Winslow)


PS: you bluebies need to woman up

[Motec]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JCP was an experiment of mine. The problem with the camp rules as they stand is that they are surrounded by extremely large grey areas with no means to determine the rightness or wrongness of a claim to a camp when it reaches a large permacamp situation.

When you have 15 or more people at a camp, each attempting to rationalize that their claim to a camp is tethered to how long someone else has been there, it's illogical and places all of the responsibility for figuring it out on the staff, and simply stated: players lie.

The JCP camp experiment was a success. It placed the responsibility back on the players, brought the amount of staff involvement down to a tiny fraction of its previous daily requirement, and reintroduced a previously absent component of holding a camp: responsibility.

With the extreme privelege of claim to a camp, comes the responsibility to invest one's own time into it. That it still runs with that rule in place is a testament to its success, and you can see from the poll here that it's favored more than 2.5 to 1 - with as many indifferent as there are for it - and those few voting against it being the players from major guilds that are most notorious for their hissy fits. They are motivated only by interest in preventing other players from meeting their goals, not in the interest of meeting their own.

With any privelege has to come some responsibility. In this case, it's either your responsibiliy or the staff's. You can see the logical conclusion.

Could of just made the prod no drop for 6 months.

Then claim that was classic and ignore all evidence, claims and good will to the contrary.

It's not like you don't blatantly change shit wrong all the time anyway.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the extreme privelege of claim to a camp, comes the responsibility to invest one's own time into it. That it still runs with that rule in place is a testament to its success, and you can see from the poll here that it's favored more than 2.5 to 1 - with as many indifferent as there are for it - and those few voting against it being the players from major guilds that are most notorious for their hissy fits. They are motivated only by interest in preventing other players from meeting their goals, not in the interest of meeting their own.

With any privelege has to come some responsibility. In this case, it's either your responsibiliy or the staff's. You can see the logical conclusion.

1) A majority of people would vote to enslave a minority for their own benefit. Doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. It's why America was founded as a Constitutional republic instead of a pure democracy.

2) I voted no and I'm the only one in my guild, so your assumption about only those in top guilds voting no is wrong. Some of us actually think that the players should work things out for themselves. Usually it starts with being reasonable and treating the other party as a reasonable person. A few things can cause this to break down rather quickly, which leads me to my next point.

3) When people think they can gain an advantage by bringing a GM into it, they will be less likely to try and work things out with their fellow player. If you're basically saying that a JCP rule will be put into place if people fight over spawns enough, and you already noted the popularity of the JCP rule, what do you think is going to happen?

Once you intervene here, you're going to be dragged in deeper and deeper. It's like a war. Either nuke the place, or don't get involved. There is no good middle ground. If you get a petition over some camp dispute at pawbuster, ae DT everyone in the area and despawn the warlord room for 48 hours, or do nothing. Anything in between will just lead to a bigger headache tomorrow.