League of Legends

[naez]

ya idk why you would play necro without shadowstep

[Eldaran]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a higher elo LoL player that has been playing for over 2 years, I can tell you that it's not that simple.

1.) The silence has to bounce to last for a decent duration.
2.) If you don't put points into it early, the fear duration is very, very short.
3.) Drain life is interrupted by any sort of stun/knock/back/interrupt, and is very short range.

These factors aside, if you are laning against someone without a stun, you want to open with fear (2 or 3 ranks in hopefully), then drain, then silence afterwards. You want your fear to be ready to use ASAP.

That being said, there are many ways to play fiddle, I prefer the aoe silence route early game for maximum creep farmage, as fiddle isn't really an early game hero, unless you lane against someone with no CC which doesn't happen at high level summoner matches.

Some huge flaws I see in fiddle game play on your end naez, is not using the element of surprise with fiddle's ultimate. There are several inherent weaknesses to fiddles ult you need to overcome to use it to maximum effect.
1.) The range is incredibly short.
2.) Fiddle is incredibly slow.
3.) Fiddle's ult has to be channeled for 2-3 seconds.

The way to fix this, is to pick either exhaust or ghost, AND(no exceptions here) flash. Fiddle without flash is gimp.

Because fiddle has a built in mini flash on his ultimate, you can start channeling your ultimate without even being visible on your opponents screen. Once you flash in with ultimate, use your summoner flash, you can cover alot of screen space very quickly doing that. Then, pop ghost to keep them from running out of range -OR- exhaust the enemy carry and keep them snared in range. You should definitely use the silence near a cluster of enemy heros first thing after ulting into the enemies to minimize damage to yourself. Fear the deadliest melee on their team so you dont get autoattack raped.

Fiddle is pretty mana efficient, he also gets a super shitty spell damage ratio. This means you can afford to stack HP/Magic penetration items over flat ap items.

Good items for fiddlesticks: Rod of the Ages, Mercury Treads/Sorceror Boots/Ionian Boots, Rylais Scepter, Abysal Scepter, Lichbane(movement speed). Rylais Hourglass.

This is a really good analysis and a great way to understand the way Fiddles should be played. And it's Zhonya's Hourglass, but im sure that was just a typo on your part. Not sure if i can see a validity on Fiddles for Lichbane, but maybe if you have nothing else to buy. THe other items you suggested are right on though imo.

[Massive Marc]

Yah I was wondering about Lichbane too. Wouldn't it be better to just invest in +3 boots and more AP ?

[Eldaran]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yah I was wondering about Lichbane too. Wouldn't it be better to just invest in +3 boots and more AP ?

I like Morello's Evil Tome, or Rabadons Deathcap, but apparently Fiddles AP ratios arent so great. Rabadons will give you like 155 AP though in general if bought early.

[baalzy]

Fiddles ratios aren't that bad... They only look bad on paper.

A .25 ratio on a 3 second duration drain is actually a .75 ratio over the course of the whole spell.

With that said, Fiddle is one of those heroes that either gimps a team or turns it into auto-rape.

If the enemy team is making smart use of wards then setting up a fiddlegank is difficult. This is compounded if the enemy team has a competent Ashe. When I was playing regularly it was always fun seeing a fiddle setup for a gank early/mid game with wards, fire you arrow at him, and then have the people/person he was about to gank rush and rape his face.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yah I was wondering about Lichbane too. Wouldn't it be better to just invest in +3 boots and more AP ?

The AP return on lichbane is respectable, you get a solid 8% movement speed increase, the proc effect is limited but still useful, it provides some magic resist as well, the bigger mana pool isn't a huge boost for fiddlestick, and probably the only downside on the lichbane. I wouldn't rush it by any means, but if you've got your RoA built, Rylais, and abysal and zhonyas ring, it might be worth considering.

[Stickyfingers]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The AP return on lichbane is respectable, you get a solid 8% movement speed increase, the proc effect is limited but still useful, it provides some magic resist as well, the bigger mana pool isn't a huge boost for fiddlestick, and probably the only downside on the lichbane. I wouldn't rush it by any means, but if you've got your RoA built, Rylais, and abysal and zhonyas ring, it might be worth considering.

Just wondering your reasoning for not going for a Death Cap instead (I know you said AP isn't as important on Fiddle, but with his ratio's not being as good, I would think you would want a boost, only played fiddle 2 or 3 times before.)? Or do you feel the extra utility and survivability on Lich outweights a cap?

Also, do you know if you pop Fiddle's ult then use Zhonya's, if it has the same effect as Kennens ult, where it still goes the whole time and doesn't cut off?

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Stickyfingers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You wouldn't go for a Death Cap instead? Or do you feel the extra utility and survivability on Lich outweights a cap?

Also, do you know if you pop Fiddle's ult then use Zhonya's, if it has the same effect as Kennens ult, where it still goes the whole time and doesn't cut off?

quite aware of this. also items are flexible, you gotta feel out your opponents before choosing an item. Kennen is one of my newest mains, he's a deadly mid carry with mobility, my favorite sort of champion.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The AP return on lichbane is respectable, you get a solid 8% movement speed increase, the proc effect is limited but still useful, it provides some magic resist as well, the bigger mana pool isn't a huge boost for fiddlestick, and probably the only downside on the lichbane. I wouldn't rush it by any means, but if you've got your RoA built, Rylais, and abysal and zhonyas ring, it might be worth considering.

I see where you're coming from. I rarely play fiddles, hes just too weak and if he gets stunned its GG.

Annie>any AP champ.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Stickyfingers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You wouldn't go for a Death Cap instead? Or do you feel the extra utility and survivability on Lich outweights a cap?

Also, do you know if you pop Fiddle's ult then use Zhonya's, if it has the same effect as Kennens ult, where it still goes the whole time and doesn't cut off?

It worked back in October when I played regularly. Rylai's is also a good decision to get, surviabililty and utility slows and a decent amount of AP. 45% slow when fear/draining someone makes it hard for them to run away. 15% slow while ulting keeps them in range of it that much longer.