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Old 01-14-2018, 01:32 PM
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Old 01-14-2018, 01:53 PM
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Because it pushes the game devs to create new challenging content that will satisfy their most rabid playerbase.....
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:00 PM
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I agree with Sirken.

From a "fairness" perspective however, it depends how you look at it. Fair rules isn't the same thing as fair results. If we define rules here as fair rules, then I'd have to agree the server is remarkably fair. Rogean, Nilbog, Sirken, and other lead GMs have made this server work by their diligence with rules and players who try to abuse them. Occasionally, even with staff who try to abuse them.

By fair results, I'd have some issues agreeing. The closest we came to fair results was the rotation system in late kunark. I'm not addressing the good or bad about that system, or even the historical reasons it worked or broke apart...I am saying that there was once another system wide approach that produced different outcomes, that I would call more "fair" at least as defined by their results.

I also think the rules themselves should be addressed from the perspective of habitual offenders. Anyone who casually browses the guild suspension forum will see a fairly steady stream of infractions from the top two guilds resulting in nearly monthly suspensions. It would seem to me that the approach players in these guilds are taking to the game and its rules is that its now part of the game to break rules...and suspensions are just part of the cost of doing business (i.e. playing how they want to play). That seems like the wrong approach to me. Any guild that has been suspended every month for the last year for essentially the same set of infractions has demonstrated a total lack of respect for this server. The rules should be much harsher on the long time habitual offenders.

Frankly, I refuse to join a guild to see content (code for get pixels) knowing that I will be forced by my association with dirtbags to take suspensions. That doesn't seem right to me. It boggles me, given the obvious care that Rogean and others have demonstrated for YEARS on this server, that they allow that reality to exist. Its bazaarly obvious that there are a few bad apples that have spoiled this server --- and while players can vote with their feet to end things on their own --- the system is too entrenched now to expect individual players to not go with the flow. I really think a GM system-wide re-centering of the vision is overdue to fix these problems.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:08 PM
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This server tried the rotation already and it was not a good time. There was literally gm enforced separation between the shitbird guilds of the day and the casual guilds, and all that happened was the top casual guilds then became the shitbirds within the casual-only ecosystem. The time saved staring at a wall in-game was replaced with time spent staring at the FAP boards (literally what it was called) trying to hash out the never-ending stream of bullshit disputes, arguments, and desired rule changes.

Raiding now seems to be way more casual overall, and it has never been easier to raid as an ultra casual with all the open/public raids that happen (Sond's weekly public wtov, pug HoT raids, all of Hyjal's open raids, etc.) or with all the good casual guilds that exist without ridiculous raid requirements or 24/7 batphones (e.g. Kittens, Paradigm Shift, Venerate, The Second Sons, Anonymous, Blood Guard, Omni, Azure Guard, Rustle, Hispartans, Infernus, Hydra [this is the best alliance name], ALS, etc.)

Reminder: Rampage beat the game in Kunark gear. Getting best in slot everything is just self-filating and by no means necessary to do anything in this game. Don't let the fact that you don't want to spend 30 hours a week in ntov hold you back from enjoying other stuff in the game.

People generally just want whatever policy they perceive will benefit them. If they aren't balling out of control, they probably want new/different rules. The policy and ruleset where everyone is happy, or that everyone thinks is fair does not exist. Be happy that the raid scene has vastly improved since days of yesteryear.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:18 PM
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Wasn't the 1hr FTE lockout abandoned?
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:37 PM
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This server tried the rotation already and it was not a good time. There was literally gm enforced separation between the shitbird guilds of the day and the casual guilds, and all that happened was the top casual guilds then became the shitbirds within the casual-only ecosystem. The time saved staring at a wall in-game was replaced with time spent staring at the FAP boards (literally what it was called) trying to hash out the never-ending stream of bullshit disputes, arguments, and desired rule changes.

Raiding now seems to be way more casual overall, and it has never been easier to raid as an ultra casual with all the open/public raids that happen (Sond's weekly public wtov, pug HoT raids, all of Hyjal's open raids, etc.) or with all the good casual guilds that exist without ridiculous raid requirements or 24/7 batphones (e.g. Kittens, Paradigm Shift, Venerate, The Second Sons, Anonymous, Blood Guard, Omni, Azure Guard, Rustle, Hispartans, Infernus, Hydra [this is the best alliance name], ALS, etc.)

Reminder: Rampage beat the game in Kunark gear. Getting best in slot everything is just self-filating and by no means necessary to do anything in this game. Don't let the fact that you don't want to spend 30 hours a week in ntov hold you back from enjoying other stuff in the game.

People generally just want whatever policy they perceive will benefit them. If they aren't balling out of control, they probably want new/different rules. The policy and ruleset where everyone is happy, or that everyone thinks is fair does not exist. Be happy that the raid scene has vastly improved since days of yesteryear.
Yes, but these improvements are all functions of time. If they ever relaunch a new server they will be go back to square 1. I'd agree that with you otherwise, with only two exceptions:
1. Certain problems, which can only be addressed by GM rules, should be implemented before a new server is ever launched. Yes, that might be never.

2. I think the current system should severely punish habitual offenders. This behavior is disrespect to the server and the staff that put hit here for us (for free!).
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:39 PM
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Wasn't the 1hr FTE lockout abandoned?
weird i figured you were on top of all the raid shits considering your over the top opinions about it

to be fair tho i used to talk alot of shit about raiding when i was oblivious to feel like i knew what the fuck i was talking about as well, and ride the top guilds are evil bandwagon that exists on every eq server ever so i get it
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:43 PM
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Wasn't the 1hr FTE lockout abandoned?
yes. awakened and aftermath would not stop breaking the rules, so sirken disbanded rustle.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:55 PM
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no one needs any items. the game was cleared with kunark gear.

there are people in Aftermath right now staring at a spawn point and sitting at the entrance of TOV for 10-30hours this weekend, for the CHANCE to gain +3cha and +8 dex on a bracer slot for someone else in the guild

atleast 1/2 of the stats don't even matter on the blue server on top of it all. none of the resists matter, dex, agi, whatever else im forgetting.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:59 PM
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no one needs any items. the game was cleared with kunark gear.
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