Friends have same IP

[stonebeard22]

Do you guys bump your private threads at all or just let them sit? And for anyone that has had one pass is there any certain information we can provide that will make it go faster?

[Chanus]

You mean petitions? Uthgaard mentioned in a thread yesterday or the day before that it helps to bump them if it's been a while (like probably not once a day, but every week or so maybe?) without a response.

[john_savage1982]

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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If you have been granted an IP exemption you need to understand this will change your duty of care with respect to appearing to be two boxing



One person playing for the benefit of 2 while on the same IP is in fact 2 boxing.

Where are the rules on this? Are you saying that if you have an IP exemption that you aren't allowed to afk? Because from what you are saying that seems to be the case. It just seems pretty ridiculous for people to have to jump through so many hoops when it's painfully obvious when people are actually two-boxing.

Further, are you saying if you aren't on the same IP and doing the exact same thing that it isn't illegal? So if 4 buddies that live next-store to each other each have their own internet and just all afk while another dude kills for the benefit of all 4 it isn't wrong?

In all reality, getting two internet connections isn't that expensive considering you can get dial-up for practically free these days. If all you are using it for is to two-box then you don't exactly need a cable or even a DSL connection.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by john_savage1982 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where are the rules on this?

Oddly enough, they are located in a post by a dev called "Server Rules"

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1057

[john_savage1982]

I meant the afk-portion of the post. I think there should be a subset of rules for people with ip exemptions because what yall seem to call common sense the average person just takes as playing as normal. Only somebody who is desperately trying not to get caught (because they're offending) would try to think out exactly the things that would make them appear to be two-boxing. Otherwise they'd play as normal and you run into situations such as two guys kill together for hours then one dude says "I'm gonna get us some beer, mind watching my char while I run out.", "sure". Then the dude that stays continues to kill to get exp for him and his friend because the friend is getting beer for them both. Nowhere does it say this is sort of situation is illegal and I really don't think it's common sense that these guys would consider this as two-boxing.

I'm sure there is a pretty simple list of situations such as this that a GM can type up and send to every person requesting an IP exemption so people are well-informed of the type of behaviors that will certainty create problems. I don't believe this list is problematic or "informing the boxer" of what the GMs will look for because the boxer isn't the average player - he's so bent on not getting caught he'll think out every possible scenario and avoid it. In contrast, I don't believe the average player will think that far because if they're not boxing they feel they don't need to worry.

On a final note, if you want to sniff out boxers go to EC. The amount of afk sell-bots there are are ridiculous.

[Omnimorph]

I look at it this way, consider this server as a server that doesn't allow multiple connections from the same ip. If you do get an exemption, it's a privilege, and it's up to you to make sure it doesn't appear that you're abusing it. Because if you start making excuses (guy is getting me a beer) then everyone could have one and i'm sure we'd hear some really good excuses.

Also it's worth noting that the people who get banned for 2 boxing are the ones who probably do MOST of the time have 2 people playing from the same IP, but then there's the temptation of 2 boxing just because you can... and that's when you'll get caught.

[john_savage1982]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I look at it this way, consider this server as a server that doesn't allow multiple connections from the same ip. If you do get an exemption, it's a privilege, and it's up to you to make sure it doesn't appear that you're abusing it. Because if you start making excuses (guy is getting me a beer) then everyone could have one and i'm sure we'd hear some really good excuses.

Also it's worth noting that the people who get banned for 2 boxing are the ones who probably do MOST of the time have 2 people playing from the same IP, but then there's the temptation of 2 boxing just because you can... and that's when you'll get caught.

Okay. So it's a privilege and you must appear that you aren't abusing it. What constitutes appearing to be abusing it? Why do you assume that the "appearing" situations are obvious? I'm saying perhaps these situations should be highlighted by GMs so people know what sort of behavior can be considered two-boxing. To reiterate, highlighting these situations will not aid two-boxers because offenders will likely be the ones who are ultra-careful. Innocent people aren't going to carefully consider "suspicious" behavior. I don't think the burden should be put on innocent people to decide what behavior is wrong, which is why I suggest GM should draft a small list of things that can be construed as suspicious. They can easily copy and paste this to a person when they grant an IP exemption saying PLEASE READ . I think this would tremendously help innocent people avoid complications and is the prudent course of action to insure people don't run into unnecessary problems.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by john_savage1982 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay. So it's a privilege and you must appear that you aren't abusing it.

If one person in a house with an IP exemption needs to afk for more than 2 minutes, you should probably stop killing xp mobs or boot the afk person from the group so he/she doesn't benefit. If one person in a house with an IP exemption needs to afk for more than 5 minutes, that person should just camp out. Also, under no circumstances, ever, should one person head to the others' keyboard to move them or loot something or control them in any way.

What I just said isn't detailed anywhere by the devs, but if I had a roommate who played and an ip exemption, those are the guidelines we'd play by. I'd also think pretty hard about never using auto-follow.

That was my "common sense" response to the rules and the dev responses I have seen over the last 11 months on this server. /shrug

[Versus]

I can see both sides of this.

As for my situation...I live in a house with 2 other players. We all are ex-EQ and I got the bright idea to try this out; it caught on. Now, 2 of us work 9-5 while the other one takes classes. I have managed to out-level simply because I've managed to get on more than them (and have had access at different locations). Now, my 9-5 room mate has had a few days off and has caught up to me. We can both now hunt in Oasis together. At this point, if/when we get the IP exemption, I am going to be super-paranoid about every little thing we do. Whether he is AFK or I am. This isn't really a problem right now at lower levels, but once we're higher it may be. Regardless, if they were to look at our tells or our general behavior, they would DEFINITELY see we are in fact different people on the same IP.

As for the flip side. I blatantly saw a high level sham/ low war 2 box-ing in Oasis yesterday. PL'ing and auto-followed.

[isiah]

Yeah, i've petitioned obvious 2boxers numerous times, but I never get even a response. I hope they investigate the reports at least.