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Old 09-03-2010, 08:03 PM
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Dear Idiot,

This thread is in the rants and flames section. I will do whatever the fuck I want.

Please feel free to take your bloody vagina elsewhere.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:05 PM
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The Mayan alphabet eh?

We will see in about 28 months just how advanced their calendar was won't we?
LOL...

Those NY bagels heh? Well see just how good those NY bagels are when you get a flat tire down in Florida!

I challenge anyone to try to decide which statement is the most absurd and non-sensical.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:07 PM
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???

Erm, well, aside from the fact that you seem to be lumping several different peoples together...

Figure 1: The Mayans built large paved roads between ancient cities that still exist today and can be traveled on. Other peoples would have had well-traveled roads as well.

Figure 2: This is the Mayan writing system. The Mexica had a similar system, and the Olmec probably had one as well, though no evidence of such has turned up yet.

Agriculture was well-developed within Aztec society. It was probably more efficient and less work than US agriculture today, as a matter of fact. At least they wouldn't be caught having to turn all the excess corn into liquor in a desperate attempt to not go bankrupt as the surplus in the market causes prices to drop.

Important war captives were primarily used as sacrifices. Babies were not used. For example, 'los danzantes' (the dancers) are a large group of carvings representing war captives in various states of sacrifice, and each have a specific name written in hieroglyphics. Kings and nobility would have been much more likely to be sacrificed than any other person. They would have also been forced to participate (and lose) in the ritual ball games where the losers were killed.

The Europeans, of course, eventually swooped in, spread their plagues, took the gold they saw, burned nearly all the manuscripts in an attempt to exorcise the devil from Mesoamerica, converted or enslaved or killed the natives, and left behind the broken remnants of a people that most today consider vicious, baby-slaughtering, bloody-minded, uncivilized inferior savages with no proper form of society to be seen, who only know how to do war whoops and say things like, "Me big chief!" while beating their chests when they're not dismembering innocent children to appease their barbarian gods.
Actually no, it's you who's lumping people together but in an opposite and roundabout way. Initially I was referring to the natives to the continent that my grandfathers conquered. I love geneology because it's not speculation, it's PROOF.

You are throwing in some argument about some South American Indians thousands of miles away when the original question... YOUR question was about American "democracy" (which if you knew anything about history, you would know what a loathsome and vile thing democracy was to the founders of the new American Republic.)

What I said about them holds true. So who is lumping people together, again?

What I said doesn't jive with your Marxist indoctrination through your local school system, so you flew into a rage, called me a racist, idiot, no credibility, when it was you sir, who did exactly the thing you accused me of. You rushed to defend every aspect of a foreign culture of which very little written evidence survives to paint a rosy picture of the Noble Native who never did any wrong and who were decimated by some evil WHITE men

(ooooh burn! THE biggest racial slur out there these days.... WHITE!)
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:08 PM
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And as much as id like to keep up this enlighting and enriching debate going all nite, im off to enrich myself playing some heroes of newerth.
My post was in response to this, try to keep up. I know it's difficult with that extra chromosome. I'll be patient.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:09 PM
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I say that in response to the absurdity that the natives were a peaceful, advanced, progressive civilization, the kind of nonsense that ultra-liberal scholars made a living out of ever since it became a fad in the late 1880s
You actually just described the Mayans according to what we know thus far about them from archaeological, anthropological and historical record. Sedentary people, with solid agriculture technology for the time, a well done mathematics system, and very little hegemonic expanse. Sure, they had their share of warfare but it was amongst themselves and interlopers. It also didn't affect the entire civilization's political structure as a whole, as the issues were regional.

Late post-classic Mesoamerican's on the other hand, I completely agree with you. The flower wars were an absurdity for certain.

As to the Mayan calendar ending, it just wasn't calculated further. If you started a long count calendar similar to the Mayans, I'm sure you'd get sick of checking your math too.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:11 PM
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You actually just described the Mayans according to what we know thus far about them from archaeological, anthropological and historical record. Sedentary people, with solid agriculture technology for the time, a well done mathematics system, and very little hegemonic expanse. Sure, they had their share of warfare but it was amongst themselves and interlopers. It also didn't affect the entire civilization's political structure as a whole, as the issues were regional.

Late post-classic Mesoamerican's on the other hand, I completely agree with you. The flower wars were an absurdity for certain.

As to the Mayan calendar ending, it just wasn't calculated further. If you started a long count calendar similar to the Mayans, I'm sure you'd get sick of checking your math too.
Again, I ask, why are Mayan in a discussion of the political development in North America during the 1600's until the Constitution was ratified?
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:13 PM
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My post was in response to this, try to keep up. I know it's difficult with that extra chromosome. I'll be patient.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:15 PM
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You actually just described the Mayans according to what we know thus far about them from archaeological, anthropological and historical record. Sedentary people, with solid agriculture technology for the time, a well done mathematics system, and very little hegemonic expanse. Sure, they had their share of warfare but it was amongst themselves and interlopers. It also didn't affect the entire civilization's political structure as a whole, as the issues were regional.

Late post-classic Mesoamerican's on the other hand, I completely agree with you. The flower wars were an absurdity for certain.

As to the Mayan calendar ending, it just wasn't calculated further. If you started a long count calendar similar to the Mayans, I'm sure you'd get sick of checking your math too.
Oh Bull fucking shit!

What are you a fuckin Jehovah's Witness? always putting off the end of the world due to miscalculations and misinterpretations?

You are going to sit here and look me in the eye and tell me that 2012 and the Mayans has nothing to do with the end of the world, and that every History Channel Show and Discovery Channel show isnt brainwashing millions of Art Bell listeners and Alex Jones Disciples that the end is near and the THE MAYANS TOLD US SO!

Puhleeze.... I knew that as 2012 approached peopel would just try to come up with excuses and bullshit just like they did for Y2K.
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Again, I ask, why are Mayan in a discussion of the political development in North America during the 1600's until the Constitution was ratified?
because my OP piece was broad like that, i did mention the influence on north america, but at the same time mentioned the aztecs, who mayans are not too far off.
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LOL, you want to talk about zero credibility.... you just hit the bullseye
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