Chardok AoE Groups and the Rules

[Tasslehofp99]

so I logged into chardok after seeing this post, here is what I logged into:


[Tue Aug 19 14:59:16 2014] Vidarr says, 'I dunno, I don't get involved in politics, I just pull mobs. just saying, there is a potential problem. he's camping as a shaman...'
[Tue Aug 19 14:59:37 2014] Vidarr says, 'he has no recourse if he gets agro, he will die'

[Tue Aug 19 14:59:43 2014] Zyryn says, 'im not sure a shammy can solo him'
[Tue Aug 19 14:59:50 2014] Klikz says, 'sooo hes gonna loot on monk or got puppet strings or gonna have someone charm for turn in?'

[Tue Aug 19 15:00:15 2014] Klikz says, 'personally idc, like i said, if anyone wants to establish camp we can work around it'
[Tue Aug 19 15:00:15 2014] Zyryn says, 'he cant camp the place if he cant hold the camp'

[Tue Aug 19 15:00:28 2014] Vidarr says, 'I have no idea, all I know is that a shaman is trying to camp the pipe, and he's throwing a tantrum on the forums cuz we're killing everything in the zone'
[Tue Aug 19 15:00:57 2014] Vidarr says, 'if he gets trained and if he dies and if the GMs take his side, things could get realy complicated'
[Tue Aug 19 15:00:59 2014] Rekles says, 'he can throw a tantrum, I don't read the forums. if it's a real issue, GMs will tell us'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:04 2014] Zyryn says, 'i think you can pull without haveing to pull the train up to betrayer tunnnel'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:05 2014] Rekles says, 'and they most likely won't'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:26 2014] Klikz says, 'ya just skip betrayer tunnel if possible '
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:27 2014] Rekles says, 'how many mobs will we lose per pull?'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:32 2014] Klikz says, '10-20?'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:36 2014] Tabarnak begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:37 2014] Zyryn says, 'like 15 or so'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:39 2014] Rekles says, 'that's a lot'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:43 2014] Vidarr says, 'so just keep doing what I've been doing then? if we skip the tunnel its about 20 mobs'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:51 2014] Zyryn says, 'yeah'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:55 2014] Tabarnak says, 'yea'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:02 2014] Zyryn says, 'i don't think he can hold the camp solo'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:03 2014] Rekles says, 'keep on. He's a shaman, he can easily earn 3k and buy a pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:24 2014] Rekles says, 'this is a very productive engine for a lot of people. 1 guy isn't going to shut it down'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:27 2014] Klikz says, 'or offer him loot rights and keep pullin, idc'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:39 2014] Rekles says, 'or reduce it's efficiency by 15&PCT;'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:50 2014] Tabarnak says, 'yeah'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:54 2014] Orrom says, 'a 60 shaman can hold betrayer camp easy'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:54 2014] Tabarnak says, 'lets offer him the pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:56 2014] Tabarnak says, 'gonna be quick'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:00 2014] Rekles says, 'loot rights = bad precedent. AoE groups sell loot rights'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:08 2014] Rekles says, 'NEVER cave in to tantrums, parenting 101'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:11 2014] Tabarnak says, 'we dont it's free'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:32 2014] You say, 'Rekles you're missing the point, that shaman has every right to camp pipe if he wants to and can hold the camp'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:32 2014] Tabarnak says, 'its only fair if the guy is camping it'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:37 2014] Zyryn says, 'what he wants is for us to give him the pipe for free'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:38 2014] Tabarnak says, 'we might as well take the xp'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:44 2014] Klikz says, 'well if he established camp we can't train him'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:46 2014] Zyryn says, 'its different if there was a group there'
[Tue Aug 19 15:04:00 2014] Rekles says, 'my bad, I thought we were already holdign that camp'
[Tue Aug 19 15:04:17 2014] Klikz says, 'we're monopolizing zone, part of play nice policy not to'
[Tue Aug 19 15:04:17 2014] Rekles says, 'does he have a problem with loot it here?'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:06 2014] Yoldi says, 'missing 20 mobs isnt gonna hurt xp that much'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:08 2014] Zyryn says, 'i would do a pull without the tunnel to see what the exp is like'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:17 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'yo tooty'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:20 2014] Klikz says, 'i just say offer him loot rights if you want all the xp, or skip it, regardless if he doesn't pay for it blacklist him from proxy'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:26 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'how about you loot it when it spawn'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:27 2014] Zyryn says, 'rather than have a rogue terrorist guilt us into a free pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:30 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'then let us go on [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:40 2014] Tooty says out of character, 'I'd love that and thank you for the opportunity'
[Tue Aug 19 15:06:03 2014] Tooty says out of character, 'can I be of any assistance?'



After this point I moved down to betrayer hall to check out how tooty was doing. He was holding the camp himself solo perfectly fine and was clearing the pathers in the betrayer hall.



Incase anyone cares or was interested just wanted to post this.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tue Aug 19 15:02:03 2014] Rekles says, 'keep on. He's a shaman, he can easily earn 3k and buy a pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:24 2014] Rekles says, 'this is a very productive engine for a lot of people. 1 guy isn't going to shut it down'

[Tue Aug 19 15:03:00 2014] Rekles says, 'loot rights = bad precedent. AoE groups sell loot rights'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:08 2014] Rekles says, 'NEVER cave in to tantrums, parenting 101'

These are disappointing to see.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These are disappointing to see.

I felt the same way. Atleast it looks like the situation has been resolved, for now atleast.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These are disappointing to see.

Yeah that Reckles guy seems disappointing. Most of the others seem to be willing to give him the camp and miss out on the 10 - 15 mobs though, even if begrudgingly so, so actually a lot better than I expected.

[zyryn]

The ae group immediately worked out a solution to the conflict. Tasselhoff must have logged in the middle of our discussion on a remedy.

[Tue Aug 19 14:57:25 2014] Vidarr says, 'k, so this troll guy Tooty is in here trying to camp for the metal pipe thing, you guys know this?'
[Tue Aug 19 14:57:43 2014] Rekles says, 'was not aware of that'

Note the time stamp on the log. I'm not sure about others in the ae, but just like Rekles, I was not aware of the conflict until Vidarr mentioned. We immediately came up with a solution (with some complaints of course) and gave the tunnel to Tooty.

If the time stamping on this thread is accurate, the orignal post is HOURS before we were even notified that there was an issue. It's very difficult to come to a solution in game, when people choose to go to the forums rather than talk it out in game.

[Ravager]

Exploiters gonna exploit. If Chardok was ae'd on live in Kunark to the degree it is here, you can bet there would be a Nerf. Too bad the devs don't dev like classic devs.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exploiters gonna exploit. If Chardok was ae'd on live in Kunark to the degree it is here, you can bet there would be a Nerf. Too bad the devs don't dev like classic devs.

Too bad you don't know classic.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too bad you don't know classic.

Maybe I don't. Can't imagine it was as bad as it is here as it was in 2000 with the hardware and client/server limitations though.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exploiters gonna exploit. If Chardok was ae'd on live in Kunark to the degree it is here, you can bet there would be a Nerf. Too bad the devs don't dev like classic devs.

Classic

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthr...-for-Sorcerers

AE Guide posted before Luclin

Chardok
Very fun place to AE. You will never run out of mobs to pull, can use other AE tricks (like Fearing one so it brings back 30 others) and the loot/plat/xp is also excellent. Can AE right down to royals as well if your group can handle it. Fast repops, some HT's and alot of named piled in the trains can cause messy CR's.

[indiscriminate_hater]

still waiting for the p99 white knights that will hold down the 2-3 camps which will completely jam up chardok AOE