So about Ultima Online and EverQuest

[Valdarious]

I do remember bits and pieces of UO when I first start in that free 30 days of play. Leaving town was nerve racking when you would get ganked by some dread lord.
I do remember when I found out about the thieving though. Stealth thieving stuff out of chests in town or actually stealing thing off of people at the bank once you got good enough.

[applesauce25r624]

Originally Posted by Valdarious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people at the bank once you got good enough.

don't bank

don't bank

don't bank so close to me

[douglas1999]

Pre-trammel UO was the greatest thing that ever existed. It's a shame that it really can't ever be re-lived, because I think a large part of the experience was the sheer diversity of players on a given shard, which was due largely in part to the fact that UO was one of a very small set of mmo's when it launched. People who wanted an mmo experience pretty much had to play UO. Now, even on emu's like second age that emulate the pre-trammel ruleset, only hardcore pvp'ers play. You can't wander out into the wilderness and find a naive roleplayer melee'ing an ettin, because that type of player was ultimately driven away from the game by the rampant pvp. I pvp'ed and pve'ed pretty equally in UO, and the sense of danger once you left the protection of the town guards was unmatched in anything else I've played. Sure it sucked to die and be looted, but because of the item balance at the time it wasn't the end of the world, and if you were able to hunt down your murderer and extract revenge it was immensely satisfying. No other game has gotten my adrenaline pumping like early UO, not even close.

Obviously I love classic EQ also, but it's really apples and oranges for me, they're just completely different types of games. If there were a UO emu that offered a comparable experience that p99 does for EQ, I'd play both equally. Unfortunately UO second age maxes out at around 180 players [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Vyal]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pre-trammel UO was the greatest thing that ever existed. It's a shame that it really can't ever be re-lived, because I think a large part of the experience was the sheer diversity of players on a given shard, which was due largely in part to the fact that UO was one of a very small set of mmo's when it launched. People who wanted an mmo experience pretty much had to play UO. Now, even on emu's like second age that emulate the pre-trammel ruleset, only hardcore pvp'ers play. You can't wander out into the wilderness and find a naive roleplayer melee'ing an ettin, because that type of player was ultimately driven away from the game by the rampant pvp. I pvp'ed and pve'ed pretty equally in UO, and the sense of danger once you left the protection of the town guards was unmatched in anything else I've played. Sure it sucked to die and be looted, but because of the item balance at the time it wasn't the end of the world, and if you were able to hunt down your murderer and extract revenge it was immensely satisfying. No other game has gotten my adrenaline pumping like early UO, not even close.

Obviously I love classic EQ also, but it's really apples and oranges for me, they're just completely different types of games. If there were a UO emu that offered a comparable experience that p99 does for EQ, I'd play both equally. Unfortunately UO second age maxes out at around 180 players [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is Hybrid, a few thousands players daily...
Hybrid is probably the equivalent to p99 for UO expect it has a lot more players.
I think Hybrid brings in a 100 - 300k a month or every two something like that in donations.
I always thought p99 would be around the same number monthly and always wanted to know why they said they do it for free.... NOT GOING TO TOUCH THAT AGAIN THO!
However UO now a days is far superior then it was in the past you just need to know where to look, like I said Siege Perilous is the place to be.

[applesauce25r624]

Originally Posted by Vyal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is Hybrid, a few thousands players daily...
Hybrid is probably the equivalent to p99 for UO expect it has a lot more players.
I think Hybrid brings in a 100 - 300k a month or every two something like that in donations.
I always thought p99 would be around the same number monthly and always wanted to know why they said they do it for free.... NOT GOING TO TOUCH THAT AGAIN THO!
However UO now a days is far superior then it was in the past you just need to know where to look, like I said Siege Perilous is the place to be.

hybrid was pretty fun a few years ago. I need to check that out again

[applesauce25r624]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't wander out into the wilderness and find a naive roleplayer melee'ing an ettin, because that type of player was ultimately driven away from the game by the rampant pvp.

UO an corp has plenty of delicious noobs to devour

at least they did a few months ago when i took a break from it

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[Mblake81]

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Some areas are King Guard controlled so that they blues may breed, they all wander out eventually.

Some go Red (Cutthroat), others stay Blue (Helpful) to seek their adventures.

A Modern UO

[Chrysus]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pre-trammel UO was the greatest thing that ever existed. It's a shame that it really can't ever be re-lived, because I think a large part of the experience was the sheer diversity of players on a given shard, which was due largely in part to the fact that UO was one of a very small set of mmo's when it launched. ...

I completely agree. While I have played and enjoyed many MMOs such as EQ, ShadowBane, WoW, etc., they have all been "games", only UO was a "world". And you're right about the diversity, which I think is also at least partly due to UO being a "world", and attracting people that didn't want to play a game, just socialize/RP/explore a virtual world.

Everyone, the PKs, the 24/7s, the girls that just want to decorate their house/tower/castle, even the developers, where playing and figuring out their first MMO.

Originally Posted by Vyal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... Siege Perilous is the place to be.

So many memories. Those GC vs UDL battles...

Full (everything) looting, and magic items/gear having so little impact on balance (at least from the 97-99 span I played) was an amazing, thrilling combination. I sincerely hope some ambitious developer team, sick of wow rip-offs, gets crazy enough to attempt such an open, free, "world" again.

[themessy]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pre-trammel UO was the greatest thing that ever existed. It's a shame that it really can't ever be re-lived, because I think a large part of the experience was the sheer diversity of players on a given shard, which was due largely in part to the fact that UO was one of a very small set of mmo's when it launched. No other game has gotten my adrenaline pumping like early UO, not even close.

Obviously I love classic EQ also, but it's really apples and oranges for me, they're just completely different types of games. If there were a UO emu that offered a comparable experience that p99 does for EQ, I'd play both equally. Unfortunately UO second age maxes out at around 180 players [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. Ever had to walk around your house because your hands were shaking so bad from the adrenaline pumping through your body? UO did that.

[Millburn]

"GUARDS by the bank, please inform them I would like to check my balance." F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5