Server Raid Rules - New and Improved

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I like the part about depopping. If you can't come to an agreement in game, mob is depopped.

[Skope]

But, Nilbog, doesn't

If 45+ players simultaneously charged Nagafen, I think it would be pretty fun myself, no need for GMs.

essentially one of the problems that we recently had all over again? There were player-made rules that were promised to be enforced by a particular GM that filled out the gaps in the rules that we had before, these rules were disobeyed and that same GM claimed (and you did, as well) that only the official rules would be enforced. This "grey area" that guilds have to decide for themselves (whether at the target/zone or via forums/vent?) wouldn't be considered one of the official rules? Because guild C can promise guild B for a shot after guild A wipes, but then just hop in and take it and it's all fine and dandy.

I guess my questions are: is it FFA/FTE when things get ugly? Because that's the current vibe im getting. or are we to being asked to fill in the gaps again with no GM backing? is there going to be some sort of slap on the wrist for guilds who disobey the player-agreed-upon rules, if any are made?

45+ people engaging a target just means one guild right now, and in the past week there's been 2-3 instances where zones were pushing over 120 people, so a little clarification on whether it's FFA as soon as it pops if a guild isn't in aggro radius, or whether there will be fill-ins for these instances by GMs or player-made would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: depopping it is fine, but that won't need to keep occurring if some of the holes are patched up.

[Skope]

There could be an addendum that simply states:

No camping in zone after all trash is clear, minus short-timer repops. After zone is clear, you've got an hour to leave and this can be done/maintained by active trackers.

The issue with poopsocking was the initial rights to mob engagement for just sitting around for 5 days, the more i look it over the more i realize this does address it (forces you to remain active), but also requires a lot of work on behalf of the players to hammer away at the kinks, mainly what happens if guild A dies and there's 3-4 guilds waiting? is if FTE? is it FFA with who can out-DPS each other? I don't think many people want to be running fraps for every raid. Furthermore, this only inhibits the first guild from afk camping, and that's only IF they decide to sit in aggro radius of the potential spawn. I really do think an addendum is required to get rid of the camping for good.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There could be an addendum that simply states:

No camping in zone after all trash is clear, minus short-timer repops. After zone is clear, you've got an hour to leave and this can be done/maintained by active trackers.

The issue with poopsocking was the initial rights to mob engagement for just sitting around for 5 days, the more i look it over the more i realize this does address it (forces you to remain active), but also requires a lot of work on behalf of the players to hammer away at the kinks, mainly what happens if guild A dies and there's 3-4 guilds waiting? is if FTE? is it FFA with who can out-DPS each other? I don't think many people want to be running fraps for every raid. Furthermore, this only inhibits the first guild from afk camping, and that's only IF they decide to sit in aggro radius of the potential spawn. I really do think an addendum is required to get rid of the camping for good.

I think that addendum would rock, myself. Whether it's player agreed or GM enforced, either way. Devs seem to think that wouldn't be acceptable to ask of the population...I think it's absolutely necessary to ask.

The way I read the new rules it's FTE with the first 15, and that includes the next guild's engagement after the wipe. We are all going to need dedicated FRAPS officers, lol.

[hueylewis187]

Good rules! Should stop the afking to get a mob.

If first guild wipes and 3 guilds are waiting. Whomever engages first gets the mob. If 3 guilds seem to engage at the same time. Than whoever gets the kill gets it. I'd think. Because the 3 waiting guilds could of made arrangements on who had next shot. And GM's should only be called in in last resorts. If a gm has to be called in it probably won't be pretty. If your guild just keeps leapfrogging or trying to ks stuff they will resort to the server rules if a gm is called in. Try not to be douchebags was a rule.

"Players can and are encouraged make their own rules between each other. But if a gm HAS to be called in these are the server rules they are going by."

Happy weekend P1999!

[Nightblade]

I have to strongly disagree with the rulings here. I can understand mobs in zones that aren't there strictly to house them (I.E, you'd exp normally in the zone), but I'm pretty sure you're going to cause yourselves an epic crapload of headaches with how it works out.

While I'm all for fairness and equality when it comes to raiding and opportunity to try new content, spending 3 hours clearing a zone just to be able to engage something, only to have an overwhelming raidforce parked outside rush in and steal it from you after you 'did the work for them' smacks of a future of butting heads. In an honest opinion, places like Hate and CT should have unique rules of their own stating that so long as the group within continues to make progress in clearing and maintains activity to do so, they maintain the claim to the ultimate goal.

I'm not one to sit and give the middle finger to 'The Man', and I greatly appreciate the fact that the developers and staffers take the time to address problems, concerns, and issues with the server and its population. That's a far cry more than SoE ever did. I feel that this is a step in the right direction, but I think there should be more developed into it, or there's going to be a whole lot of B'AWWWWWWW going on, and a flood of petitions as a result.

[Webwolf]

Originally Posted by Nightblade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure you're going to cause yourselves an epic crapload of headaches with how it works out.

It should be actually alot less headaches when all the GMs have to do is not get involved and ignore those types of complains.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

FFA will create more headaches, unless it goes to pvp. Just select a champion and have them meet and fight. Or do a /guildwar.

If it is ffa, prepare to do cr.

Players actions make it necessary for intervention. Society here is no different, people need consequences for their actions, or it becomes lawless and chaotic. Shame we can be better then this.

[Humerox]

The heck with all this. Sky just opened.

My vote is to now turn this into an item loot SZ-style server.

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[girth]

It is better than poopsocking though. Kind of. I foresee many a poopsocks to still come.