Velious 2H changes

[Yinikren]

Now that I think about it, another thing that will affect the damage done is the amount of time spent in melee range. I fear kite mostly - I am not always in melee range, so if I miss a 2H swing timer because I am casting, I end up waiting another 3.3 seconds to swing again. I'm sure that's the reason I seem to do so much more damage with a 1H.

[webrunner5]

You people are crazy. No 1 hander on a SK or Pally is going to out damage a good 2 hander. The damage bonus on a 2 hander is WAY above 1 handers.

Even a Warrior the best weapon from 20 to 50 or epic is Staff of Battle. Ranger best weapon is Woodsman's Staff till epic, Monk T Staff till epic. Get off this stupid 1 Hander stuff. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now if you are trying to hold agro, then yes, fast 1 handers are the way to go. But they do less damage.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ebon Mace 15 kills in stables:

/tell Bewkif Bewkif -vs- Combined: A shadow: -- DMG: 7087 -- DPS: 18 -- Scaled: 17 -- Crush: 7087 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 280 -- Hits: 176 -- Missed: 101 -- Defended: 3 -- Accuracy: 63.5% -- Avg Hit: 40 -- Max hit: 78 -- DMG to PC: 0


Deathbringers Rod 15 kills in stables:

/tell Bewkif Bewkif -vs- Combined: Plaguebone skeleton: -- DMG: 7695 -- DPS: 16 -- Scaled: 16 -- Crush: 7674 -- Hit: 21 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 196 -- Hits: 127 -- Missed: 68 -- Defended: 1 -- Accuracy: 65.1% -- Avg Hit: 60 -- Max hit: 125 -- DMG to PC: 151

I'm interested, do these parses include slam/bash? I don't play a large race SK on p99, but it seems like I remember on live that slam doesn't do as much damage as bash. Is that correct?

[Yinikren]

I bash for 20, with or without a shield, but I do more respectable bash damage with a shield (slam likes to hit for 1). As for Webrunner, parses are clearly showing similar damage between similar ratio 1 and 2 handers. It looks like the pre-50 damage bonus is negligible.

[koros]

FFS. What part of the basic formula I laid out makes this even debatable for some of you? That's how the distribution works over time. Either learn statistics or trust people who understand math better than you. That formula literally lays out, in a "plug the numbers in" sort of way, how a weapon performs.

[Nogdar]

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm interested, do these parses include slam/bash? I don't play a large race SK on p99, but it seems like I remember on live that slam doesn't do as much damage as bash. Is that correct?

I think Slam "becomes" Bash if you're wearing a shield, and deals slightly more damage then. But tbh the difference can be neglected.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You people are crazy. No 1 hander on a SK or Pally is going to out damage a good 2 hander. The damage bonus on a 2 hander is WAY above 1 handers.

Even a Warrior the best weapon from 20 to 50 or epic is Staff of Battle. Ranger best weapon is Woodsman's Staff till epic, Monk T Staff till epic. Get off this stupid 1 Hander stuff. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now if you are trying to hold agro, then yes, fast 1 handers are the way to go. But they do less damage.

No, 2h damage bonus is NOT way above 1h in current era. Actual damage bonus on 2handers is only slightly better than 1handers at this time, it's not the huge difference we'll see with the 2h damage revamp during velious.

[Wrench]

^ you cant fight senility with logic

[kaev]

Even with the improved 2h bonus, a 40 delay 2hander at L49 gets 13dmg bonus which adds 0.325 to the ratio. This is only slightly more than 9 damage bonus gives for a 28 delay 1hander (0.321) and less than for a 27 delay 1hander (0.333) at L49.

Damage bonuses for 2handers give big numbers, but big numbers don't guarantee better actual damage over time.

[webrunner5]

Interesting read for those that have not seen it about weapons. http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...=damage+weapon