Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Vear99]

Gentlemen, your root problem here is your method of competition: debating does not work. When the other person doesn't want to lose an argument, they can either write walls of semi-relevant rationalizations or take emotional shots or both. Your resolutions to be more polite will not really help, because your egos will still be on the line, the conflict will not be resolved, and you will both get frustrated again.

So, stop arguing and actually put your statements to the test, i.e. try ENC/ENC/CLR with MAG and SHM and measure. Of course there are still problems - the choice of zone and players will definitely matter - but over time the answer should become much more clear. I think you will find it a much more interesting and fun way to proceed.

[Vear99]

Gentlemen, your root problem here is your method of competition: debating does not work. When the other person doesn't want to lose an argument, they can either write walls of semi-relevant rationalizations or take emotional shots or both. Your resolutions to be more polite will not really help, because your egos will still be on the line, the conflict will not be resolved, and you will both get frustrated again.

So, stop arguing and actually put your statements to the test, i.e. try ENC/ENC/CLR with MAG and SHM and measure. Of course there are still problems - the choice of zone and players will definitely matter - but over time the answer should become much more clear. I think you will find it a much more interesting and fun way to proceed.

[Troxx]

Instead of linking prior posts that have already been read and were not previously compelling … try again to form a compelling and coherent argument. If all you are going to do is quote what you have already written, then we the community who were not convinced the first time will gladly consider you to have run out of ideas and given up.

Let’s tackle this one issue at a time.

Deal with the above quote first. Then we’ll move on top points 1, 2, and finally 3(one at a time).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead of linking prior posts that have already been read and were not previously compelling … try again to form a compelling and coherent argument. If all you are going to do is quote what you have already written, then we the community who were not convinced the first time will gladly consider you to have run out of ideas and given up.

Let’s tackle this one issue at a time.

Deal with the above quote first. Then we’ll move on top points 1, 2, and finally 3(one at a time).

I was correct:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also believe you are hiding in the safe space of the word "compelling". I am guessing you will simply dismiss anything I say and make the excuse that it is not "compelling". Hopefully you have the courage to debate this time in an adult manner.

As you can see, Troxx doesn't read the answers to his questions, and just keeps asking over and over. He did not counter these posts previously when they were made. This is a troll tactic designed to dodge having to provide a counter argument. He has retreated to his safe space again.

He will simply dismiss everything out of hand, while providng no points of his own to support his argument.

As it stands, Troxx has lost the debate by using these tactics. If he wants to continue, he needs to actually read these posts so he can address the answers to his questions:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=4843 - please note I forgot the resolution line of spells in the hp buff section. You can add the HP accordingly to see the differences.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=5245

If you want to pretend you have won and just claim victory without cause, you can do that if you wish. The readers will be able to read the posts above and come to their own conclusions. They will also see you have no counter arguments that they can read. They have no idea why you are claiming victory for no reason. I doubt you'll convince people you are correct when you can't even explain your own position.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If all you are going to do is quote what you have already written, then we the community who were not convinced the first time will gladly consider you to have run out of ideas and given up.

So is the above to be considered true DSM? Why won’t you specifically address post 5282? Tell us why or how any of the tools shamans have to mitigate risk on an enchanter charm break is preferable to a 1 second cast aoe stun that immediately locks down the situation followed by far more potent blast healing.

If and when you can make that case we will be open to discuss:

-having 750-850 more hp (resolution line and symbol) vs FoS and no self shielding
-why complete heal is cool when your charm pets have over 7k hp
-why NOT having rez is not ideal

But please. One thing at a time and let us start with the first point above. Start from the top. No more dodging like you did when you claimed you could name several camps that NEED a shaman (lol)

Simply linking prior posts constitutes a concession of defeat.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So is the above to be considered true DSM? Why won’t you specifically address post 5282? Tell us why or how any of the tools shamans have to mitigate risk on an enchanter charm break is preferable to a 1 second cast aoe stun that immediately locks down the situation followed by far more potent blast healing.

If and when you can make that case we will be open to discuss:

-having 750-850 more hp (resolution line and symbol) vs FoS and no self shielding
-why complete heal is cool when your charm pets have over 7k hp
-why NOT having rez is not ideal

But please. One thing the above at a time. Start from the stop. No more dodging like you did when you claimed you could name several camps that NEED a shaman (lol)

Simply linking prior posts constitutes a concession of defeat.

I did address these points in the posts you didn't read. What are your counter arguments?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=4843 - please note I forgot the resolution line of spells in the hp buff section. You can add the HP accordingly to see the differences.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=5245

Are you suggesting you've won the debate simply because I didn't retype a post you didn't read and didn't counter?

If you want to make up rules that say I've lost, you can do that too. It is childish, and everybody can see it's silly. You are digging a hole for yourself.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Simply linking prior posts constitutes a concession of defeat.

So you are done then DSM?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are done then DSM?

As you can see, Troxx refuses to read answers given to him. You can check the post history, he did not provide a rebuttal for either of these posts:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=4843 - please note I forgot the resolution line of spells in the hp buff section. You can add the HP accordingly to see the differences.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=5245

In the end, the readers will be able to read these two posts above, and see the answers to Troxx's questions.

Nobody knows what Troxx's positon is, as he just keeps dodging the answers given.

Please note he could have spent this time providing a counter argument, or linking previous posts he made that already rebut these arguments if he thinks he has done so. Instead, he just keeps dodging and spamming the thread.

[Trexller]

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[Ripqozko]

This is why you can't compete kittens, you have a guild full of DSM