Mob Camping Rules

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a VP dragon is killed and the whole guild zones out and I log to my alt to loot the item, does that cede my loot rights?

Reductio ad absurdum.

[aggrikta]

thats exactly what I have done Frieza, he seem ok. I think i just might have been overly suspicious and just wanted to check exactly whats what.

[Arrisard]

If the person who killed it logs off, that doesn't mean the other person who is hovering around has somehow gained permission to loot the corpse.

It's the original killer's loot up to and including rot unless he specifically gives you permission to loot it.

Don't understand how hard this is to grasp for some people. Go try taking something off of a raid corpse just because it went "public" and see what kind of response you get. It's no different from a tooth on Trak to an FBSS on Frenzied.

[Naelor]

What about somebody just happening to wander by, seeing a dead mob, and looting it? He doesn't know you are logging back in. How can that be 'your' kill?

Obviously that wouldn't happen in a raid setting, so I'm not talking about that situation, but could surely happen in a single-campable-mob situation.

And anyways, ultimately the system is the final arbiter on who 'owns' the kill...once it goes public, it goes public. Thats the whole point of that mechanic.

[Hitchens]

This is far more similar to dropping items on the ground for an alt to pick up than loot on a raid mob, therefore it is unreasonable to apply raid rules to the situation.

Individual opinions may vary.

[HIYO]

Calling out the noobs is a noob and has called himself out.

No one can loot a mob I kill without my permission, even if I log out to another char. What they can do when I log to another char, is take my camp.

Have a great day everyone !

[HIYO]

Originally Posted by Naelor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about somebody just happening to wander by, seeing a dead mob, and looting it? He doesn't know you are logging back in. How can that be 'your' kill?

He does not need to know it is "MY" kill, all he needs to know is that it is not his kill.

[aggrikta]

Originally Posted by Arrisard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the person who killed it logs off, that doesn't mean the other person who is hovering around has somehow gained permission to loot the corpse.

It's the original killer's loot up to and including rot unless he specifically gives you permission to loot it.

Don't understand how hard this is to grasp for some people. Go try taking something off of a raid corpse just because it went "public" and see what kind of response you get. It's no different from a tooth on Trak to an FBSS on Frenzied.

Thats how I thought it should go tbh so was abit surprised with some of the replies.

[Frieza_Prexus]

What about somebody just happening to wander by, seeing a dead mob, and looting it? He doesn't know you are logging back in. How can that be 'your' kill?

I addressed that by saying it is technically a violation. That said, newbies are never "prosecuted" on this because 1. No body is going to bother and 2. You may have implicitly ceded rights by your own behavior.

This is why I said to determine guilt would be a factual inquiry into exactly what you did. The decision maker would then have to determine, based upon the situational facts, if you did cede your rights by your actions. This can easily be avoided if you tell the guy "I am logging over to my alt, you cannot touch my mob."

Reductio ad absurdum.

Not entirely. Absurdity exists when you move past what is reasonable. If there were an established principle that limited my hypothetical, then what I said could be fallacious. However, my example does exist. We've had people be the last one in the zone, while on an alt, to loot an item. I suggest, that because the situation can occur it is not absurd to use it as an example.

This is far more similar to dropping items on the ground for an alt to pick up than loot on a raid mob, therefore it is unreasonable to apply raid rules to the situation.

Individual opinions may vary.

I addressed this in a post above. Also, the linked statement from Rogean explicitly finds no distinction between raid mobs and the situation at hand.

[Naelor]

There's a distinction between 'rules', and 'things that would make people mad'. The 'rules' are enforced by the system. When the corpse goes public, its public, period as far as the system is concerned. Those are the 'rules'. The devs have stated there is an exception for raid mobs, and thats all well and good, but if it's not directly enforced by the system there's no point in calling it a 'rule'.

I totally agree you shouldn't loot someone else's mob that you are aware they are logging back in for, but that's a community standard and not a 'rule'.