thinking about rolling a warrior

[Samoht]

you didn't say that at all before, so you're a flamer that when pushed is capable of forming a coherent thought

ok

i actually do agree that dorf is the better race for base-line stats, but innate invis isn't a stat, so you're comparing apples to oranges

comparing dark elf stam to halfling stam would be a valid argument, and halfling clearly wins by 10 there, but my real decision came from sneak because i remember doing the velius ring quests on live while on giant faction. the ability to interact with any NPC in the game independent of faction is huge.

i played a dorf rogue on live, and that's what i made my comparison too when starting. they get sneak at level 1, so it's a non-factor.

[Samoht]

ac, regen, bash, sneak, hide, stun immunity, dorf roll

secondary reasons for selecting a particular race beyond the base stats clearly exist and nobody will ever argue with your selection (except flamers)

however, once you have your race selected, the stat to bump the highest will always be stamina.

[Kevlar]

Sta isn't that hard to cap either. With velious raid gear I capped the sta on my half elf bard easily.

Granted this server is still quite a ways from end game velious.

My advice for any toon is play what you enjoy. 20 extra hit points or carrying capacity are not going to make a difference in the long run. And just remember, when that ogre war is lvl 40 that halfling will be lvl 60! Debating the pros and cons of min maxing starting stats is arguing just to hear yourself talk. It will have so little bearing on how your character ends up that it really is not worth the trouble. Go to an EQ style website and focus on what really matters, the looks of that avatar you are going to be staring at for the next year or so.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

secondary reasons for selecting a particular race beyond the base stats clearly exist and nobody will ever refute them (except flamers)

however, once you have your race selected, the stat to bump the highest will always be stamina.

clearly if you cared about secondary reasons over stats for a warrior, everyone would pick an ogre. sneak vs immunity to stun? lol, is this even an argument?

as far as stats go: your priority should be getting your primary stats to buffed max (let's call this 160-170 unbuffed), after which, for warriors, it should be getting your AC and HP as high as possible (in that order). spending 25 points into a primary stat means you have to acquire 25 fewer points of stat gear in order to achieve your primary goal, which gives you more room to achieve the secondary goal. stamina is only useful in that it raises your HP and there are other ways to raise HP.

tl;dr: disregard stamina, acquire maxed primary stats and hp/ac as a warrior.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when that ogre war is lvl 40 that halfling will be lvl 60!

not quite true, experience required per level is not static and raises exponentially each level.

however, experience was also another factor in my selection of halfling. thank you for reminding me.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not quite true, experience required per level is not static and raises exponentially each level.

however, experience was also another factor in my selection of halfling. thank you for reminding me.

yet another reason unrelated to endgame stats.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not quite true, experience required per level is not static and raises exponentially each level.

however, experience was also another factor in my selection of halfling. thank you for reminding me.

xp you get from mobs goes up exponentially as well though. Level advancement untwinked and unpower leveled seems fairly flat to me.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as far as stats go: your priority should be getting your primary stats to buffed max (let's call this 160-170 unbuffed),

i'm pretty sure that right now, neither one of us knows what you're talking about. better tanking mitigation comes from better raw hp/ac, not str/sta/dex/agi. since stamina has better return per point in hp than agi has per point in ac, then how do you disregard stamina? putting starting points into str/agi are not going to help at all.

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yet another reason unrelated to endgame stats.

flamers gonna flame

[pickled_heretic]

points into str and dex are going to help you hit your cap faster which lets you spend gear slots on ac and hp. keeping in mind that 1 stam = 6 hp it's pretty rare to find stam gear that is more attractive than hp gear.

anyway, i'm not flaming you, i'm just pointing out that you're a hypocrite and a bad one at that.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Level advancement untwinked and unpower leveled seems fairly flat to me.

What level are you, exactly? I'd much rather go through level 35 than 45, and every level above 50 is a small marathon.


On topic: If you're not looking at end-game raiding you'll want to make sure you have respectable dex. In xp groups you are far more likely to be hated for constantly losing agro than you will be for not being beefy enough.