Tunnel Gear - Warrior Weapons

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...highlight=Hate

This was the big hate adjustment patch, which dropped at the end of 2022.

While it doesn't talk about poison counters directly, I remember discussions about poison/disease counters being nerfed/bugged hate-wise. People are saying they don't generate hate. I haven't tested it personally.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s....php?p=3643387

Yeah I read that, both the patch and the supposedly buggy poison/disease counters. Nothing super informative in the end. Seems like we'll never know until someone tests it out and that seems like a painstaking process.

WESS is a bit unique in that its proc contains poison counters but not really tied to any other outcome, the proc is basically the same exact thing as the bio orb effect, but with some extra poison counters. Any easy test would be compare the hate of the WESS proc to a bio orb click. I bet the hate amount is 100% the same.

Maybe im dumb but it seems hard to isolate a proc value from swing hate noise. You'd have to account for hate done in real time or be lucky and proc on the first swing.

[PatChapp]

They do not generate hate

[PatChapp]

We out feverblades and the vp poison weapons on rogue bots for a decent free offhand now, they do nothing for hate

[PatChapp]

Bio orb generates a lot of hate, I think blind still does the 400 per.

If you have access to a wizard,flux staff is great for measuring haye. Its fixed hate per click and instant

[zelld52]

Update: After reaching level 49 - I have some stats.

Here's my weapons I've been using.

1 Handers : Swiftblade of Zek, Frostbringer, Paebala Warbone, Sebilite Croaking Dirk
2 Hander: Herbalist Spade

Best DPS / Aggro: SBoZ +Sebilite Croaking Dirk. Having two 18 delay weapons + 34% worn (and if lucky, spell haste) - I'm able to pull aggro off a shaman slowing just using Taunt + White Damage. Can also hold aggro with epic rogue backstabbing. No procs needed. Frostbringer is also very good aggro when it procs, but the DPS is very slightly lower than the Dirk in offhand.

I imagine the DPS will change when I reach 51+ and the weapon skills exceed 200. Along with double attack, riposte and Offense. I expect the Herbalist Spade to take over as top DPS.

As it stands now, the fast 1 handers are better DPS and threat. Hoping to nab a slick ToV 2-Hander within the next few weeks.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Update: After reaching level 49 - I have some stats.

Here's my weapons I've been using.

1 Handers : Swiftblade of Zek, Frostbringer, Paebala Warbone, Sebilite Croaking Dirk
2 Hander: Herbalist Spade

Best DPS / Aggro: SBoZ +Sebilite Croaking Dirk. Having two 18 delay weapons + 34% worn (and if lucky, spell haste) - I'm able to pull aggro off a shaman slowing just using Taunt + White Damage. Can also hold aggro with epic rogue backstabbing. No procs needed. Frostbringer is also very good aggro when it procs, but the DPS is very slightly lower than the Dirk in offhand.

I imagine the DPS will change when I reach 51+ and the weapon skills exceed 200. Along with double attack, riposte and Offense. I expect the Herbalist Spade to take over as top DPS.

As it stands now, the fast 1 handers are better DPS and threat. Hoping to nab a slick ToV 2-Hander within the next few weeks.

Did you try frostbringer in mainhand? I only ever see warriors main handing it as the proc rate will be much higher which will contribute significantly more threat.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you try frostbringer in mainhand? I only ever see warriors main handing it as the proc rate will be much higher which will contribute significantly more threat.

Problem with frostbringer main hand is the 22 delay really doesn't take advantage of damage bonus much. I was curious so I ran the numbers

If hate = weapdmg + dmg bonus every swing, in hate per minute at 60:

9/19 = 631 lamentation
9/18 = 667 jade mace
12/22 = 627 frostbringer
11/20 = 660 guard captain mallet
10/18 = 699 sebilite croaking dirk
12/20 = 690 exq. Vel. BH
11/18 = 733 SBOZ

42/49 = 1029 argent prot
32/36 = 1050 exq 2h
39/43 = 1060 spade
33/44 = 859 truncheon
40/40 = 1110 reaver


So as you can see even a lamentation generates more hpm than a frostbringer from swings but frostbringer trumps probably pretty much any 1hander in game that doesn't have a proc, IF it procs. So it kind of all hangs on your dex and the situation. I used a 1proc/min to simplify calculations but IIRC that's basically naked dext. So if you have any dex on gear you'll proc more for sure but if you're clearing group trash you won't see procs on all mobs.

A reaver will do better even without procs... BUT you got an offhand that also generates hate so I guess if FB procs even 2 handers can't catch up. Damage bonus is about half the hpm value so if hate calculations don't factor DB for OH, depending on the OH you might be above or below reaver if FB doesn't proc.

If you have high dex and can proc twice a minute the frostbringer will basically be doing 1500+ hpm IF frostbite is really a 460hate proc, putting it way above everything else.

If I forgot something please chime in. This goes against a lot of what I've read on the topic and I don't think I'm that smart.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with frostbringer main hand is the 22 delay really doesn't take advantage of damage bonus much. I was curious so I ran the numbers

If hate = weapdmg + dmg bonus every swing, in hate per minute at 60:

9/19 = 631 lamentation
9/18 = 667 jade mace
12/22 = 627 frostbringer
11/20 = 660 guard captain mallet
10/18 = 699 sebilite croaking dirk
12/20 = 690 exq. Vel. BH
11/18 = 733 SBOZ

42/49 = 1029 argent prot
32/36 = 1050 exq 2h
39/43 = 1060 spade
33/44 = 859 truncheon
40/40 = 1110 reaver


So as you can see even a lamentation generates more hpm than a frostbringer from swings but frostbringer trumps probably pretty much any 1hander in game that doesn't have a proc, IF it procs. So it kind of all hangs on your dex and the situation. I used a 1proc/min to simplify calculations but IIRC that's basically naked dext. So if you have any dex on gear you'll proc more for sure but if you're clearing group trash you won't see procs on all mobs.

A reaver will do better even without procs... BUT you got an offhand that also generates hate so I guess if FB procs even 2 handers can't catch up. Damage bonus is about half the hpm value so if hate calculations don't factor DB for OH, depending on the OH you might be above or below reaver if FB doesn't proc.

If you have high dex and can proc twice a minute the frostbringer will basically be doing 1500+ hpm IF frostbite is really a 460hate proc, putting it way above everything else.

If I forgot something please chime in. This goes against a lot of what I've read on the topic and I don't think I'm that smart.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Frostreaver

Get one of these if you can

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Frostreaver

Get one of these if you can

Yeah best of both worlds but the thread title is tunnel gear so I stayed true to OPs question. Haven't raided much either so it is out of my wheelhouse anyway. I'm sure there's plenty of cheap drops you can get for low DKP or outright buy but that's beyond the scope of the question.

How much would a frostreaver be if one paid plat for it, just out of curiosity?

[Naethyn]

Piercing has lower skill cap on warrior.