Teal

[Acidreams]

The reason green is awesome is because everyone is here right now together experiencing it on one server. It makes everything you do feel worthwhile, other private servers can offer you freedom to kill mobs where you want and all that qol. This green server experience comes around very rarely! Vote down Teal and keep the Green integrity!

[Smashed]

2500 on the other night, and 6 in rathe mountains. Between loot, zone design(or bugs) and ZEM, there’s only a handful of zones most people will go to. If they can’t find mobs, they’d rather log off than play in some marginal area. They’ve been conditioned to do this from 10 years of blue. This was always going to happen with a ZEM enforced xp highway.

In classic people didn’t know better. They spread out primarily out of ignorance. That can’t be recreated. I’ve spent time in low population zones, and grouped with adventurous types. In the end they tend to lose their interest and want to return to the herd. Because the xp is terrible, the loot is terrible, the zone is buggy and/or you have to constantly dodge out of depth level 40 monsters to get your level 13 monsters.

[Barantor]

Originally Posted by Smashed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2500 on the other night, and 6 in rathe mountains. Between loot, zone design(or bugs) and ZEM, there’s only a handful of zones most people will go to. If they can’t find mobs, they’d rather log off than play in some marginal area. They’ve been conditioned to do this from 10 years of blue. This was always going to happen with a ZEM enforced xp highway.

In classic people didn’t know better. They spread out primarily out of ignorance. That can’t be recreated. I’ve spent time in low population zones, and grouped with adventurous types. In the end they tend to lose their interest and want to return to the herd. Because the xp is terrible, the loot is terrible, the zone is buggy and/or you have to constantly dodge out of depth level 40 monsters to get your level 13 monsters.

Not just conditioned from Blue, but also from Live. We all knew what the ZEM zones were and went there because "Wow I get increased XP and there is groups easily and loot here." type of mindset. If you only had a couple of hours to play, you knew if you went in those zones you could get a group and kill away.

Right now on green we have a glut of folks at certain levels. Yeah there will be folks in higher level zones who are higher level going "but there is only X people here, nothing is wrong!" but not reflecting an average user in that leveling wave who doesn't have oodles of time to play. Crushbone is chaos, Blackburrow is chaos and as those ZEM popular areas get hit by the wave they become crowded. It's already starting to happen in unrest and probably will in MM too. Faydwer is overpopulated.

My thought is take away those ZEMs and let it be known publicly that there aren't going to be them. This will help spread that population out some (not all, some folks are too set in their ways) and also prevent the thought that there is a 'path' that is optimal.

[Splade]

Originally Posted by Smashed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2500 on the other night, and 6 in rathe mountains. Between loot, zone design(or bugs) and ZEM, there’s only a handful of zones most people will go to. If they can’t find mobs, they’d rather log off than play in some marginal area.

In classic people didn’t know better. They spread out primarily out of ignorance. That can’t be recreated.

So much this. I listened to AC Gamer on his last stream bitch and bellyache about them opening up Teal and how "Green isnt the classic feeling he was hoping for" and some nonsense about having an insanely high server population "forces people off the beaten path". It really doesnt, SOME and I mean SOME people will go off the beaten path but the vast majority of people will not, they'll either fight tooth and nail for a single spawn or log off. The people who are wanting "classic" will never get "classic". The game is 20 fucking years old, every little thing that could be known about it is known and these people are trying to relive something from their childhood and throw a fit when some kind of QoL improvements are made that the vast majority of people want. You put it perfectly, you cant recreate ignorance of the game, and thats what some of these players are wanting, to recreate that magical experience they had 20 years ago when they were 13 and knew nothing about EQ or MMO's. It will never happen

[silo32]

I was a senior in highschool when everquest came out

everquest killed ultima online

wow killed everquest

wow killed wow

nothing has rivaled it only a few shitty competitors, diablo, finaly fantasy, dark age of camealot and shadowbane?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Splade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much this. I listened to AC Gamer on his last stream bitch and bellyache about them opening up Teal and how "Green isnt the classic feeling he was hoping for" and some nonsense about having an insanely high server population "forces people off the beaten path". It really doesnt, SOME and I mean SOME people will go off the beaten path but the vast majority of people will not, they'll either fight tooth and nail for a single spawn or log off. The people who are wanting "classic" will never get "classic". The game is 20 fucking years old, every little thing that could be known about it is known and these people are trying to relive something from their childhood and throw a fit when some kind of QoL improvements are made that the vast majority of people want. You put it perfectly, you cant recreate ignorance of the game, and thats what some of these players are wanting, to recreate that magical experience they had 20 years ago when they were 13 and knew nothing about EQ or MMO's. It will never happen

So then deal with the crowds if you want to go to the most popular zone for your level range. I think people also underestimate how much information people had in the classic era. Many people on these forums don't seem to have played until Kunark or later. Within like 6-8 weeks people knew generally what level content was in which zones and had figured out all of the good turn in quests such as CB belts, Gnoll Fangs, and Bandit sashes. CB was insanely crowded at all times. So people went off the beaten path to level. If someone is complaining about server population and things being too crowded because they have to wait to join a group in the most popular spot for their level range and they're unwilling to go anywhere else because it's not as optimal, then they might as well play WoW so they can have instances and get whatever they want whenever they want it.

[Splade]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So then deal with the crowds

No thanks, the devs dont see it that way either, hence, Teal. Thanks for trying though !

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Splade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No thanks, the devs dont see it that way either, hence, Teal. Thanks for trying though !

Well I'm glad that you got your way then so that you can ensure you don't have to do anything besides go from CB to Unrest to Guk and HK Gobs to Mistmoore to back to Guk just like you've probably done a million times on Blue.

I just love all the complaining. Omg you mean if the most popular zone is crowded I have to take a boat and then walk somewhere to level!? What!?

[strawman]

Originally Posted by Splade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SOME people will go off the beaten path but the vast majority of people will not, they'll either fight tooth and nail for a single spawn or log off

but that's not how it's actually playing out on green

there are a lot of people fighting over the most popular spawns, but there are also a lot of people everywhere else

and judging by server population, nobody is logging off

[Splade]

Originally Posted by strawman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but that's not how it's actually playing out on green

there are a lot of people fighting over the most popular spawns, but there are also a lot of people everywhere else

and judging by server population, nobody is logging off

Then whats wrong with giving the people who want to move their shit to Teal the option to do so? If things are so great on Green then why are you guys flipping out over people having the OPTION to move away from an incredibly crowded server ? If Green is so great, no one will move and the population will stay insanely high