Request for Staff Confirmation on EXP

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does seem slow. Day after launch I was in an all halfling group: 2 rogues 2 clerics and 2 druids. We pulled nonstop on the bat hill outside the wall and were doing a little over 1 yellow an hour at levels 4-6 as races with a bonus.

I think part of it may be psychological: were used to seeing the blue bar move and it's harder to tell without it.

Dude. You were in a group of 6 with 4 non-pet, non-dps spellcasters who couldn't meditate yet. And 2 melee who probably had rusty daggers and cloth armor who can't do their one great ability yet (backstab).

What in the holy fuck did you expect?

[whitebandit]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude. You were in a group of 6 with 4 non-pet, non-dps spellcasters who couldn't meditate yet. And 2 melee who probably had rusty daggers and cloth armor who can't do their one great ability yet (backstab).

What in the holy fuck did you expect?

I gotta agree with you on this one Tecmos, people are expecting this to be the twinked Monks and casters with 400mana at level 1 chain nuking leveling to 15 in a single night or some shit. This is so fun.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is how it works. But this isn't what you said before.

You said that similar-level hybrids wouldn't account for slower exp "because it's shared" amongst the group. But that's exactly what makes the exp slower, because similar-level hybrids have more exp earned so far than people without penalties, and therefore soak up a larger portion of the exp per kill, and therefore increase the time per level all other things being equal.

There isn't a negative tone just because I told you you didn't understand something.

If you want people to believe you, you need to do more than have some gut feeling that things are too slow, especially when others don't feel that way, and some folks even have TESTED and found it to be just fine. Go exp for 2 hours in a group, noting the exact amount of what levels you earn and the levels of the others folks in the group and the number of mobs you kill and their cons (better yet, levels, based on max hits) and do some math and THEN come here and claim something is off.

Similar meaning the hybrid was one level higher than me. Of course it would take more exp, but that doesn't account for the low leveling pace just because you have a hybrid one level higher

[GnomeCaptain]

I feel sort of bad for non-pet classes.

Yesterday I, a Necromancer, grouped with two other Necros, two Mages, and a Druid.

There were so many dead NPCs strewn about we couldn't see the ground.

And the exp was very, very fast.

[zaneosak]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Similar meaning the hybrid was one level higher than me. Of course it would take more exp, but that doesn't account for the low leveling pace just because you have a hybrid one level higher

Higher level people take alot more XP of the pie, a high level hybrid takes even more of the pie. If you are all the same level, your mobs to level will be identical (your xp bar will move the same amount) as the hybrid, but ANY player with a higher level will take more. +/- 1 level if in a good group killing fast and killing even cons would probably be ok. But a bunch of higher levels can cripple your own personal XP quite a bit.

If you had the entire group makeup I could chart it for you with a tool I made, just to visually show you the difference, if you're curious.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Higher level people take alot more XP of the pie, a high level hybrid takes even more of the pie. If you are all the same level, your mobs to level will be identical (your xp bar will move the same amount) as the hybrid, but ANY player with a higher level will take more. +/- 1 level if in a good group killing fast and killing even cons would probably be ok. But a bunch of higher levels can cripple your own personal XP quite a bit.

Everyone else was the same level, it was one hybrid who was 1 level higher. Not like it was 3 or 4 levels higher

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Similar meaning the hybrid was one level higher than me. Of course it would take more exp, but that doesn't account for the low leveling pace just because you have a hybrid one level higher

Bottom line here is you feel like the exp was too slow but are spending time posting about it instead of proving it.

As I already said, when your gut clashes with other people's guts, and you have no data vs. staff who have been running this for years and players who have tested specifically... well it's time to actually put in some minimal amount of actual effort to prove your point.

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude. You were in a group of 6 with 4 non-pet, non-dps spellcasters who couldn't meditate yet. And 2 melee who probably had rusty daggers and cloth armor who can't do their one great ability yet (backstab).

What in the holy fuck did you expect?

These are some of the least penalized racial/class combos in the game. At levels 4-6 people should absolutely be able to do a yellow an hour.

How long do you expect it to take? I do not think a yellow per hour as a level 5 halfling in a group with zero racial or class penalties is an unreasonable expectation for an active group.

[zaneosak]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These are some of the least penalized racial/class combos in the game. At levels 4-6 people should absolutely be able to do a yellow an hour.

How long do you expect it to take? I do not think a yellow per hour as a level 5 halfling in a group with zero racial or class penalties is an unreasonable expectation for an active group.

I think Tecmo is correct but for wrong reasons. You gear is irrelvent. It's the mobs your killing. Killing lvl 3 or 4 mobs as level 5s in a group is slowwwwwww. 1 yellow an hour is acceptable to me in a group, but when you're level 4-6 you gotta kill whites/yellows to obtain that kind of good XP. You can kill a blue con with 2 of you, so adding 4 more, you're still splitting it.

My calculations are way above a yellow an hour if you are killing level 4 bats at level 5. If you're just killing regular bats, which are level 1 or 2 in Qeynos.... at level 5, it's gonna be almost nothing XP wise -- Example (level 3 mobs). A Level 3 mob gives 675 XP. With 6 members in group it goes up to 810 XP.... assuming you're all halflings, all level 5. You'll need 420 of those level 3 mobs to ding lvl 6. Thats alot of freaking mobs. Change it to level 4 mobs only 234 required... etc. etc.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bottom line here is you feel like the exp was too slow but are spending time posting about it instead of proving it.

As I already said, when your gut clashes with other people's guts, and you have no data vs. staff who have been running this for years and players who have tested specifically... well it's time to actually put in some minimal amount of actual effort to prove your point.

I think you missed the point of my original post. I'm not complaining or trying to prove or disprove anything. I'm saying that many people have asked similar questions, so it might be helpful for the staff to shoot a quick confirm because people will also stop submitting bug reports about it.

Chill out man lol, take a deep breath and relax