<Riot> = Server rotation

[Littul Jonn]

Originally Posted by Worry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like you Littul but the fact you prefer the zoneline conveyor belt where 98% of the raid does nothing and gets loot over rooted dragons baffles me.

Best change P99 has made ever IMO.

I agree the conveyor is a bit silly, but before I understood how it worked I was upset. Once I understood all the mechanics behind it and the level of skill required to successfully complete those pulls I was more motivated to play and attempt to compete in that arena. (Not inferring you don't understand the mechanics)

I think the thing that most disappoints me about the tenancy to lean on the rooted raid targets as a fix to CSR problems is it changes the resource needed to compete from skill to bodies. Sure you need to know how to play your class and you cant just warm body it into North and come up with a kill but numbers are a far more scarce resource in this game. I think building a system (rooted raid targets) based on numbers required is going to kill the actual competition on this server and it will be just like any one of the instanced servers come March of next year. Hopefully i'm wrong.

[lifewater]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree the conveyor is a bit silly, but before I understood how it worked I was upset. Once I understood all the mechanics behind it and the level of skill required to successfully complete those pulls I was more motivated to play and attempt to compete in that arena. (Not inferring you don't understand the mechanics)

I think the thing that most disappoints me about the tenancy to lean on the rooted raid targets as a fix to CSR problems is it changes the resource needed to compete from skill to bodies. Sure you need to know how to play your class and you cant just warm body it into North and come up with a kill but numbers are a far more scarce resource in this game. I think building a system (rooted raid targets) based on numbers required is going to kill the actual competition on this server and it will be just like any one of the instanced servers come March of next year. Hopefully i'm wrong.

What your saying is true, but its important to note that the "skill" portion of that explanation is referring to the tiny team of pullers to get the dragon to the zone cleanly. The content was done with less people at zoneline not because people were more skilled, but because there was nothing to overcome but the dragon.

I feel like the current meta requires more skill, or at least it requires skill from more people aside from 5 key players, especially on the actual dragon engages. It also forces more personal responsibility on classes other then pullers. Pullers are still critical, but since dragons are rooted. you need to deal with guards and there is more chaos going on general. Multiple tanks, split healing, kiting and all this other nonsense that simply didn't happen before. Also specific to our current meta, leapfrogging is a possibility, so there's now an increased risk needed to secure kills (killing multiple guards). Overall I feel like there's more thought involved then there ever was before.

If I remember right....a few cycles ago AM was taking some serious risks with new coth locations (I think it was dagarn/kriezan?). Something that never would of happen in the previous meta. So while this meta ups to entry requirements for guilds, its also forces guilds to think outside the box a bit.

And also as far as I know (I'm a new P99 compared to veterans), this last few months has been the most competitive that ToV has seen in a long time. Two whole guilds are competing regularly! :P But seriously we've also seen AEGIS and other guilds make their way in to NToV as well occasionally. It feels healthy to me.

[Vallaen]

Before the dragons were rooted on a earthquake there would be

AG
BG
Core
AM
PS
Kittens
Tempest

Cant say this is the healthiest the raid scene has been.

[Kayso2]

Originally Posted by Vallaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before the dragons were rooted on a earthquake there would be

AG
BG
Core
AM
PS
Kittens
Tempest

Cant say this is the healthiest the raid scene has been.

So the raid scene was healthiest when AM was getting most of the mobs most of the time? You don't say! I can't imagine why you would think that...

Think about it this way. All the experts say that crying is good for your emotional health. So even if the raid scene isn't at it's peak health, you're still reaping personal benefits! Enjoy your tranquil state of mind, friend.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Kayso2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the raid scene was healthiest when AM was getting most of the mobs most of the time? You don't say! I can't imagine why you would think that...

Think about it this way. All the experts say that crying is good for your emotional health. So even if the raid scene isn't at it's peak health, you're still reaping personal benefits! Enjoy your tranquil state of mind, friend.

Probably so, ask yourself on kunark mobs do they compete against AM or riot more ?

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Vallaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before the dragons were rooted on a earthquake there would be

AG
BG
Core
AM
PS
Kittens
Tempest

Cant say this is the healthiest the raid scene has been.

Don't kid yourself. PS/BG/Kittens and most of the time Core were not competing in NToV.

It was AM vs Tempest... then AG for a bit.
It's been 2 guilds with AM winning 3/4 (or more) of the content well before rooted dragons.

[Nuggie]

Those that are getting less loot after the rooted dragons are complaining(through any means necessary). Those that are getting more are happy about it. How cliche.

The only thing I can think nearly the whole time I spent reading this thread is: how bad is Riot screwing up PR that despite all the bullshit AM put us Casual Scum Guilds through it was a better choice for him to app AM over Riot...

[feniin]

Kittens got more dragons after rooting fwiw

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kittens got more dragons after rooting fwiw

That’s mostly cause bagel is baller

[Kayso2]

If you predicted Riot would be the top guild on the server the day CorPSe merged, you're Nostradumbass trying to get away with revising history. AM was still the top guild and should have remained so.

Within days of forming, Riot was inundated with applications. There's a reason all those people chose Riot over AM which was the safer bet at the time... Want to guess what the big reason was?

Riot is not perfect. But if Riot really does have a PR problem, it certainly doesn't have a PR problem compared to AM. If it did, all those apps would have gone to AM and this thread wouldn't exist.