Consitering Red?

[Quizlop]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PvP should just be thought of as dynamic PvE content with better AI. Mobs in the game world can already wander around and attack you. Now imagine if they were programmed better, which is what people should want anyway from an MMORPG in this day and age.

Originally Posted by Quizlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can try to compare direct PvP to all the various forms of ineraction (camp disputes, FTE races, etc.) but to so many players the idea of another player attacking them directly, without their consent, is so appaling that they simply aren't interested at all.

[snyder43]

Originally Posted by Quizlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there is one major factor that a lot of the people that continue to promote red are missing: the vast majority of Everquest players simply do not like the idea of PvP at all, at any time, for any reason.

You can offer as many incentives, and try to sugarcoat Red as much as you want, but you won't change the fundamental problem that most EQ players have with red: Player versus Player combat. You can try to compare direct PvP to all the various forms of ineraction (camp disputes, FTE races, etc.) but to so many players the idea of another player attacking them directly, without their consent, is so appaling that they simply aren't interested at all.

I was right there with you two weeks ago. A week ago today I started trying to convince all my friends to start on Red, and they all felt the same way that you do. Each one of us has been pleasantly surprised how much we actually like the server (so far).

For several years I shied away from Red, not only because of the PvP aspect of it, but also because of all the negativity I saw from Blue players, who I assumed had tried Red, but in retrospect probably didn't. How "good" a server is is completely subjective. Those people who bash Red are driving away potential players with stories that are not representative of the server as a whole. Imagine if someone was wronged on Blue, and then trashed Blue every time someone said something remotely positive about the server - this is what goes on with Red almost every single day.

I'm not saying Red is for everyone. I had a "bring-your-own-group" mentality, and being able to get camps anytime of the day, that are highly contested on Blue, is really appealing to us. As I've mentioned before, the positivity I have seen coming from complete strangers on Red goes far beyond that of anything I've seen on Blue.

[Zuranthium]

Exactly - people are ignorant. Such things need to be fixed via education. Granted, I'm sure there are a decent amount of people who really do just want to do something braindead with their time (although with a game like this, that's often because of mental health issue; needing to feel a sense of accomplishment they otherwise can't get), but many people would enjoy Red more if they tried it and the atmosphere was positive.

Blue server has been a wastebin for a long time. People need to realize - if you play on that server, you are going to be blocked from much of the content, and it's not approached anywhere close to how it was actually approached in classic. People stick to Blue because of the population disparity and because they think Red means less PvE value, but that's called an echo-chamber. If you just keep doing something because others are, you are only in rat race. Red offers a much better experience and it would receive further improvements if more of the p99 population played there. The main thing it has needed is a guild/raid size limit (which I also think Blue could use, but it's even more needed for a PvP server).

[Beldan4]

heh. thank you Zuranthium for respecting the time I took to write this. I make no real comments about blue because I've never been on blue99, and spent most of my time on Red servers on live.

I understand why people want to play on blue. I am about as blue as you can get on red. However, as much as I am a live and let live kind of guy, I am also a believer when it comes to the idea that pvp is the best way to settle arguments in games. The alternative is governmental levels of bureaucracy that this game wasn't created to sustain.

Most of the people on red are NOT pvper's. Typically it is a very select core of people (normally the leaders of the opposing guilds) that duke it out when they can, and harasses the blueish people when they can't. When there's multiple guilds if loot isn't a factor the main question for most people is which group of hit-men do you want to associate with?

[Irulan]

If you encounter pvp on red and cannot handle it. It's really easy to log in another character until it is safe.

This does not let u poopsock a camp eternally tho.