Discussion on 20 minute engage rule for undead bard (trak guts) when next patch comes

[Plackers]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thats because theres nobody to compete with you to kill them so you can pick whenever you feel like to do them

There are currently over 4 guilds capable of killing trak. Thanks for your useless input.

[Varren]

Bush/towers. Roll red.

[DarthMartigan]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are there really enough bard alts that one trak guts won't be enough. Most people stop their bard alts at 50 once they can't AE kite anymore. I doubt all of these alts will be willing to invest in white dragon scales.

This makes me smile. You can AE kite to 60 if you are good at it.

[Fanguru]

Wait until there is an actual issue. The guilds who can kill Trak have better things to do than get ready to jump on alts just for a Kunark BP.
The worst scenario I can picture is a bard doing his turn-in, getting one attempt on Trak, wiping, then a guild popping in to kill Trak and CRing the bard's force after.
Bard could re-attempt to get guts the day after.

[Kileras]

Originally Posted by DarthMartigan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This makes me smile. You can AE kite to 60 if you are good at it.

it's not that you can't, it's that post 55 the slow down is immense and most people are done with the "high" of seeing the yellow bar go up quickly. 2-3% a pull? pshhh.

[Kileras]

This is only an issue to the people that can afford white scales really. Guilds like mine that don't do gore/vox simply will not have access to white scales. I feel we do fairly well for ourselves but the economy of white scales is heavily in favor of the top tier guilds.

No need to waggle our E-ego's for those that can do it, but its understandable that gore is a gnarly dragon to have to go for, and the 52 dragons are contested for this reason. It's been 4 years and there is still no slow down or availability for white scales. This all makes one part of the epic much easier, but it still is post a gigantic bottleneck of white scales.

20 minutes seems like a crazy muster time to be expected of any guild other than those that can camp out at the target, and those that can camp out at the target ( most likely a bunch of alts capable of doing trak ), are the ones that have been on the top already for quite some time.

what is so horrible about a 1 hour muster time and a guarantee on your guts if you lose the kill? Maybe there is something horrible i'm just not thinking of it.

[trite]

I think with Velious content eating up so much time, established raiding guilds don't have much interest in socking gut + bp only trak or even regular trak. Bards are kind of rare too since playing them is an inhumanly cruel test of focus and finger tendon endurance. A few weeks after this makes it into the game it shouldn't be highly contested...speculating about the situation is fun but I wouldn't try and establish rules for this encounter until its obvious they are needed.\

Also, I feel like FFA regardless of who did hand in should have been an option on the poll.

[Fanguru]

There is a minimum effort to provide.
The other guild/force does not owe you anything and could use the MQ funds for resist gear / PLing guild toones / recharges / whatever.

On the other hand, you could make an agreement with a guild beforehand, contacting them and saying: "Look, I can trigger Trak but I need help to kill him. Help me out and you get the BP, I get the guts".
Some up-and-coming guilds cannot compete on Trak currently, but could be interested if it is scheduled and provides them with experience on the encounter.

Also, as Kileras said, white scales will still be the main bottleneck.

[Man0warr]

I think with Velious content eating up so much time, established raiding guilds don't have much interest in socking gut + bp only trak or even regular trak.

Regular Trak is still heavily contested for VP keys.

Also, as Kileras said, white scales will still be the main bottleneck.

The problem is someone could get the Lute body from turning in scales and since you get it back from the Undead Bard when handing in, one person (doesn't even have to be a bard) could just keep that Lute Body forever and farm Fake Trak for BPs.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regular Trak is still heavily contested for VP keys.



The problem is someone could get the Lute body from turning in scales and since you get it back from the Undead Bard when handing in, one person (doesn't even have to be a bard) could just keep that Lute Body forever and farm Fake Trak for BPs.

I don't see anyone doing this.

I can see us keeping a communal Lute Body to get bards their Trak guts so that once they get scales they are done... I absolutely don't see us turning in Lute Body to try for the 1 BP or to sell Trak guts.

It's a daily spawn and there are only so many bards. I'm not too terribly concerned about this one.

People really shouldn't try to rule lawyer this, just let the dude who turns in get their fight done, there is no hurry.