Play Nice Policy Doesnt Apply to Bards Making Money

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Malbolshia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm sure I'm not the only one who witnessed this weekend, but it seems like P1999 admins are okay with Bards who are making money PLing people to take entire zones of mobs - even ones camped by groups trying to take advantage of the double XP weekend.

I read through the Play Nice Policy and found these 2 passages that directly conflict with what took place by several Bards this weekend;

"You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area."

"Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area."

"You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns."

All 3 listed points in the Play Nice Policy directly conflict with such a player this weekend in LOIO. Even after several players in the zone asked in /ooc for him to stop taking all the mobs from various camped areas (mainly Sarnak fortress ledge)

So I guess this policy only applies to people who are not established, high level, making what only has to be tons of RL cash in charging several thousands of plat per hour to PL people. His group even went as far as to talk smack after they outleveled the zone and a big "F-You" to everyone complaining about it.

Great idea on the double xp weekend, too bad it had to be ruined greatly by individuals like this.

Thanks for your time.

Haynar implied its legal to take all mobs as long as you don't steal I believe, mobs are not a camp in a zone.

[DarthMartigan]

When a bard is leveling in Burning Wood or FV and avoiding the areas that players are, it's a beautiful way to level... when bards are plvling and hurting people's experience, it makes me very sad. Sorry for everyone dealing with this crap.

Some bards care about not ruining people's experiences, so I hope you don't get turned off to the class. As they say: Hate the individual player of the game, not the class of the individual player.

[jwargod]

Originally Posted by DarthMartigan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When a bard is leveling in Burning Wood or FV and avoiding the areas that players are, it's a beautiful way to level... when bards are plvling and hurting people's experience, it makes me very sad. Sorry for everyone dealing with this crap.

Some bards care about not ruining people's experiences, so I hope you don't get turned off to the class. As they say: Hate the individual player of the game, not the class of the individual player.

What about the individuals who get away with bad behavior because their guilds support it.

[Sepulveda]

I have to say, I don't understand why bard swarm kiting is allowed at all on the server. It clearly violates all three of the policies that the OP posted. No where does any of the three PnP rules listed say "camp". It says "most or all of a zone". Pretty much every time a swarm kiter does his thing, whether it's in OT, BW, Dreadlands, EK, Oasis, FV, or any other zone that bard swarm kiters do their thing... any reasonable person would say there is zone disruption and a monopoly on the monsters.
This isn't even considering the lag it creates, which disrupts the normal playability of the zone. Nor is it considering that in certain zones, especially BW.. a swarm kite takes an hour or more, which makes the zone completely unusable for a huge amount of time. I for one wish they would either tweak the bard abilities, mob AI, or some other feature to make it not work. How that would happen, I have no idea. Not classic? Nope, but neither is 4 years of Kunark, every 3rd person playing buying Powerleveling, or a host of other problems the server has. I love P99, and have played here off and on for nearly 4 years. But bard swarm kiting has always been one of the things I hate most about the server, and it has only gotten worse.
Salty? Damn straight I am.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Sepulveda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to say, I don't understand why bard swarm kiting is allowed at all on the server. It clearly violates all three of the policies that the OP posted. No where does any of the three PnP rules listed say "camp". It says "most or all of a zone". Pretty much every time a swarm kiter does his thing, whether it's in OT, BW, Dreadlands, EK, Oasis, FV, or any other zone that bard swarm kiters do their thing... any reasonable person would say there is zone disruption and a monopoly on the monsters.
This isn't even considering the lag it creates, which disrupts the normal playability of the zone. Nor is it considering that in certain zones, especially BW.. a swarm kite takes an hour or more, which makes the zone completely unusable for a huge amount of time. I for one wish they would either tweak the bard abilities, mob AI, or some other feature to make it not work. How that would happen, I have no idea. Not classic? Nope, but neither is 4 years of Kunark, every 3rd person playing buying Powerleveling, or a host of other problems the server has. I love P99, and have played here off and on for nearly 4 years. But bard swarm kiting has always been one of the things I hate most about the server, and it has only gotten worse.
Salty? Damn straight I am.

i think you're forgetting that in these zones, bards pull mostly wandering mobs. these are never considered part of a camp

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by Dynheart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand that it's part of the EQ's bard mechanic. What I don't understand is why take every mob in the zone. From camps, especially since you know people are at that camp? The biggest issue is the justification to do it. 4 mobs? You're quad kiting...big whoop. 20+ mobs....the whole zone?

These people tell others to find a different zone, but never consider these people were there hours before they started kiting. This makes the bard community look self entitled. Especially since they back their disruptive play 100%.

If people just played a bard normally, not like butt hole, I don't think people would have issues. But I guess 4-5 mobs just isn't enough...have to settle for half the zone.

As for someone who actually played classic EQ back in the day, this was never a huge issue. More like "oh, a druid/bard quading." Now it's like "oh, a bard kiting 90% of the zone...and we were here first, but they wont acknowledge it and tell us to go somewhere else just because." I sure hope this isn't an issue at the higher levels.

They take as many as they can get because the swarm process takes the same amount of time if its one mob or 100.

Having a bard myself (who I leveled to 60 long before the hybrid xp penalty or even Velious came about) the bard hate is so real on the server I don't even bother to log in. Can literally sit LFG for days without a tell.

That being said I was leveling my Enchanter in OT mostly this weekend. Plenty of bards around, and its never as bad as forum whiners make it sound. Mobs to be had, maybe just not rapid fire pulling, which lets be honest, most groups don't handle well anyways.

I also enjoy people suggesting blatant breaking of the play nice policy ie training or doing something malicious to the bard to defend your rather vague breaking of the policy (ie you can't camp roaming mobs [unless its SF I guess?], most is subjective).

I swarmed a lot. I never had an issue with anyone while I was swarming for myself or for a PL. I used to group a lot as well, and would get tells for groups as soon as I logged in. Those days are gone, and it sucks because Bards are a ton of fun to play. The hypocrisy from people who want to level fast, but mad at people who found a way to do it faster they can't replicate is amusing at the least.

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by Sepulveda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to say, I don't understand why bard swarm kiting is allowed at all on the server. It clearly violates all three of the policies that the OP posted. No where does any of the three PnP rules listed say "camp". It says "most or all of a zone". Pretty much every time a swarm kiter does his thing, whether it's in OT, BW, Dreadlands, EK, Oasis, FV, or any other zone that bard swarm kiters do their thing... any reasonable person would say there is zone disruption and a monopoly on the monsters.
This isn't even considering the lag it creates, which disrupts the normal playability of the zone. Nor is it considering that in certain zones, especially BW.. a swarm kite takes an hour or more, which makes the zone completely unusable for a huge amount of time. I for one wish they would either tweak the bard abilities, mob AI, or some other feature to make it not work. How that would happen, I have no idea. Not classic? Nope, but neither is 4 years of Kunark, every 3rd person playing buying Powerleveling, or a host of other problems the server has. I love P99, and have played here off and on for nearly 4 years. But bard swarm kiting has always been one of the things I hate most about the server, and it has only gotten worse.
Salty? Damn straight I am.

Using OT as an example, define most of the zone?

Because no matter how you try to spin it, they aren't even taking half of the zone. They take specific mobs in one half of the zone (OT swarm east side for lower lvl bards, west side for higher) avoiding specific mobs like tigers and rhinos.

Had you said Chardok, that makes a lot more sense.

[DarthMartigan]

Originally Posted by Sepulveda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It says "most or all of a zone". Pretty much every time a swarm kiter does his thing, whether it's in OT, BW, Dreadlands, EK, Oasis, FV, or any other zone that bard swarm kiters do their thing... any reasonable person would say there is zone disruption and a monopoly on the monsters.

In FV and BW, there are literally never people around. Maybe it's because of the bards that have come before... but in those zones I haven't seen it as a disruption prior to this weekend. I think that the biggest bard issues come when it's primetime. When it's off hours, these zones are hardly used at all.

If you ever see me (martygan) kiting and you are upset by mobs i'm taking, tell me. I will zone or let you peel mobs off.

[surf3001x]

Bards are currently wiping out groups left and right in DL with bad play.

At least know wtf you're doing if you're going to swarm 20+ mobs.

[Mojo24]

I don't see why this is still a discussion. There is a guide on the first page on how to eliminate bards.

Monopolizing an area of a zone is breaking the PnP. Instead of waiting days for GM response its best to take matters into your own hands and force the bard out via xp loss or inefficient PL. Since you will both be breaking PnP policy.

Tagging off swarms is a bad idea, will result in your swift death when the scumbag dies.