SK vs Warrior in Velious?

[Jontheripper]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, 100% of wipes have everything to do with who has the attention of the mob(s). Also, if you're gonna say that DPS should be managing their aggro better, which I agree with BTW, quit... pulling... aggro... on... slow. You are murdering every melee's enjoyment of the game when you do that. Or maybe, just maybe, change your position so that when you pull aggro the whole group doesn't have to track the mob down and re-position.

When i accidentally pull aggro, i just run straight towards my tank and stand between his legs (halfli.g) and hope he can peel it off before i die, dont make the tank chase mobs.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coming from the person who preaches against ranger tanks every chance he gets, that is hilarious.

How did you EVER get the idea that a Ranger WAS a Tank??

If you go to the Class Discussions Forum on P1999 there is NO mention of a Ranger in the Tank section. I would think Nibog and friends know a thing or two about that. Nuff said.

They are in the Melee Forum. BIG difference. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[kaev]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did you EVER get the idea that a Ranger WAS a Tank??

If you go to the Class Discussions Forum on P1999 there is NO mention of a Ranger in the Tank section. I would think Nibog and friends know a thing or two about that. Nuff said.

They are in the Melee Forum. BIG difference. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL, just fucking LOL. Seriously dude do you pay any attention to how this game works? Ranger is a tank. A gimped tank, it's true, but still a tank. Ranger easily fills the tank role in a competent XP group, more easily than a Warrior on p99 where 99% of the players are idiots about agro management. My Cleric and Druid are happy to heal competent Ranger tanks, my Ranger would rather pull & dps but tanks just fine in regular group content. It doesn't matter what textures the model is painted with, it matters what abilities the class has. Rogue gets painted with the same texture as Ranger, but cannot tank worth a damn. Cleric gets painted with the same texture as Warrior/Paladin/SK but cannot tank well at all.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL, just fucking LOL. Seriously dude do you pay any attention to how this game works? Ranger is a tank. A gimped tank, it's true, but still a tank. Ranger easily fills the tank role in a competent XP group, more easily than a Warrior on p99 where 99% of the players are idiots about agro management. My Cleric and Druid are happy to heal competent Ranger tanks, my Ranger would rather pull & dps but tanks just fine in regular group content. It doesn't matter what textures the model is painted with, it matters what abilities the class has. Rogue gets painted with the same texture as Ranger, but cannot tank worth a damn. Cleric gets painted with the same texture as Warrior/Paladin/SK but cannot tank well at all.

There is no way in hell a Druid, without crack, is going to keep up with heals on a Ranger being the Tank. No way. I play all 3 healer classes and you are full of crap if you believe that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell a Cleric is lucky to keep up with the heals on a Ranger. They are a total mana sink healing wise. They are a paper tank. No better than a Bard or a Rogue at doing it getting hit. They are basically a Leather class. And you are going to compare then to a Plate Class. Good luck with that.

They are great pullers in outdoor zones and have as good of DPS as a Warrior not in Zerker Mode, and great at Tracking and CC. But as a Tank well you had better ask a LOT of healers about that. I am in "camp mode" when some jackass suggests we use a Ranger as a tank, as me being the healer. I got better things to do than being OOM all the time trying to save a groups ass healing a gimpy tank Ranger.

[Gotze]

Enchanter + shaman + cleric in same group = any other 3 classes can fill the void imho


On topic though , warrior gets mighty beefy in velious, but holy shit insta aggro in xp groups + mini farms is nice

[thieros]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no way in hell a Druid, without crack, is going to keep up with heals on a Ranger being the Tank. No way. I play all 3 healer classes and you are full of crap if you believe that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell a Cleric is lucky to keep up with the heals on a Ranger. They are a total mana sink healing wise. They are a paper tank. No better than a Bard or a Rogue at doing it getting hit. They are basically a Leather class. And you are going to compare then to a Plate Class. Good luck with that.

They are great pullers in outdoor zones and have as good of DPS as a Warrior not in Zerker Mode, and great at Tracking and CC. But as a Tank well you had better ask a LOT of healers about that. I am in "camp mode" when some jackass suggests we use a Ranger as a tank, as me being the healer. I got better things to do than being OOM all the time trying to save a groups ass healing a gimpy tank Ranger.

you come off as an unpleasant fellow and i disagree with your opinions. I've concluded you have room for improvement in your playstyle if you cant keep a ranger up with your cleric or shaman. Be effecient and use your tools wisely instead of calling people jackasses for inviting a class that is not a warrior and complaining about your OOM. A properly played ranger is super dank. They pull, CC themselves, self heal during downtime(regen too), agro magnets, track and pull you delicious loot mobs.

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[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by thieros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you come off as an unpleasant fellow and i disagree with your opinions. I've concluded you have room for improvement in your playstyle if you cant keep a ranger up with your cleric or shaman. Be effecient and use your tools wisely instead of calling people jackasses for inviting a class that is not a warrior and complaining about your OOM. A properly played ranger is super dank. They pull, CC themselves, self heal during downtime(regen too), agro magnets, track and pull you delicious loot mobs.

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fair points, but there is a big difference between tanking in a level 51 group and tanking in a level 60 group

[kaev]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fair points, but there is a big difference between tanking in a level 51 group and tanking in a level 60 group

That's true, in a L60 group the buffs are probably strong enough to let the Bard tank. We're not talking raid mobs here.

[Cecily]

I enjoy 60 epic bards as tanks very much. Ranger or bard is what I want tanking for me in exp groups. It takes a little bit of extra support and competent players to make it work, but wow it makes for fun parties.

[captnamazing]

rangers will obviously take more damage but are totally competent tanks as long as a group knows how to adjust for it. I have known rangers to tank seb king and HS south, and personally known the clerics healing them. No complaints from the healers.