The Deru' Plan C discussion

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Tegellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have 5000 people from all different timezones/ parts of the world.
The staff has asked everyone to come together and agree on how we should proceed with the raid scene.

I dont think you could get 10 people to agree nevermind 5000. Everyone naturally wants more then they "should" get.

At some point the GMS/Staff are going to have to step in and say "this is what we are doing" or the server will begin to shrink at a rapid pace when no one can raid and all the "good" camps are imposible to get. (the other day I ran to see if PS came was open.. there was a line of 3 people behind the person who was actually camping it)


I think a few things are obvious now.

1) GMs will have to step in and decide on what the raid scene will be
2) As soon as a decision is reached the population will drop (at least for now). If the rules favor the casual group. You will see a lot of the top guilds leave the game or at least the bulk of the members. If they favor the raiders you will see a few casual players leave (altho not a lot as they played when they were getting 0 mobs).. eitherway 1 or all sides will feel they got screwed.


As much as I am sure the intentions were good and I think Sirken and the GM staff have done a great job (far better then I ever could). I personally believe putting this on the player base was a bad idea. People on both sides will hold the server hostage now. The Casual players have the mindset of "we were not doing much raids before so we can hold out longer then those that were raiding" and the Hardcores have the mindset of "We can sit at our computer for hours on end tracking.. we certainly have the drive/willpower to hold out as long as needed.

Neither side is going to budge.

Jesus u nailed it finnaly someone who understand both sides

[Xadion]

Andro makes more sense than half you all and that's with out translation.

Gwence, heh. We got all sorts of people coming out of the wood work tonight.

I fully understand there are a wide array of play styles, and mine is anything but hard core..look at my raid history on TMOs DKP and compare it to the whole.

I won't divulge into much as people did not even start replies with logic, but just attacks and personal statements, so very 'internet-y' indeed.

It shows why the 'work for welfare' laws never stood a chance, *most* and *the most vocal* people that use it do not want to be better, they just want what 'They are entitled' to under their messed up ideas of self entitlement. Are those that legit need help- yes... But they are the ones working to move upward.

Personally I am disappointed in some members of Azure Guard and their lack of gusto... Coming from Veeshan on live, and knowing their origins there... I thought that maybe their drive was here also. I was in Primus Exodus and fought and worked along that tier of guilds on Veeshan and lived with the likes of FoH , CD, PD, CoE etc. I hoped AG would use whatever strategy and compromise that arises to rally and step it up. I would love to see AG become a prominent P99 guild. Veeshan forever.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Andro makes more sense than half you all and that's with out translation.

Gwence, heh. We got all sorts of people coming out of the wood work tonight.

I fully understand there are a wide array of play styles, and mine is anything but hard core..look at my raid history on TMOs DKP and compare it to the whole.

I won't divulge into much as people did not even start replies with logic, but just attacks and personal statements, so very 'internet-y' indeed.

It shows why the 'work for welfare' laws never stood a chance, *most* and *the most vocal* people that use it do not want to be better, they just want what 'They are entitled' to under their messed up ideas of self entitlement. Are those that legit need help- yes... But they are the ones working to move upward.

Personally I am disappointed in some members of Azure Guard and their lack of gusto... Coming from Veeshan on live, and knowing their origins there... I thought that maybe their drive was here also. I was in Primus Exodus and fought and worked along that tier of guilds on Veeshan and lived with the likes of FoH , CD, PD, CoE etc. I hoped AG would use whatever strategy and compromise that arises to rally and step it up. I would love to see AG become a prominent P99 guild. Veeshan forever.

Thanks for the support but remember this psycho left his arse to pin furor and won .

Never forget TR > Foh
Fck that paladin hater

[Tycko]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not though. New TMO has already shown to be much more amicable than the old leadership. I have a lot of hope for the raid scene tbh, even with all this going on. I wouldn't be surprised if a guild council could actually police themselves at this point. Maybe I'm being too optimistic. We'll see.

news flash, the same people running tmo the last 6-12 months are the same ones reforming it.

the root cause of this entire cluster f___ has yet to be identified and fixed.

edit: Oh yeah, and happy new year

[Pheer]

One thing thats been bothering me about all these talks is the "tier 2 guilds" acting like agreeing to leave VP ffa is some kind of huge compromise on their part, when the vast majority of them dont currently have the keys to raid it anyway. If the key didnt have a bottleneck like trak guarding it I find it very hard to believe that these guilds wouldn't be demanding their fair share of VP just as much as they are the other content right now.

That being said I still feel like the divinity plan is a fair proposal and one of the less complicated/confusing ones out of those that have been considered the last few days.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When did "working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters turn into a complete and complicated revision of the EQ classic raiding to the point of giving "smaller guilds" not "a chance" but carte blanch to 50% of the raid targets?

Question: what mobs do you absolutely need for your main?

[Tegellan]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question: what mobs do you absolutely need for your main?

Due to the the fact that we are at a stale state with how long Kunark has been out.. recruitment is a never ending battle to keep going.. This means there is always ungeared players even in TMO.. Every raid mob drops SOMETHING.. that is an upgrade to someone in every guild.

That said.. Does someone really need to kill Talendar for a haste items when eventually they will get a sky haste belt. The answer is no.. but that can also be said for any guild that raids in sky at all.

[cyryllis]

i still need a treasure hunters satchel on my main, never win that roll.

Yes, need, because I have super low strength and tink bags are heavy.

[CodyF86]

Because 16% and 21% < 31% / 36%?

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by CodyF86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because 16% and 21% < 31% / 36%?

Aaradin
The A-Team

and 41% > all yo..and that's why Sky is insane... Sky gear at times is BIS close to raid gear Vel, some beyond.