A question to everyone not in TMO/IB.....

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The mindset did change its called WoW, Rift, or any recent MMO.

No those games are even lazier than that. The mindset remained the same while the game itself changed to accomodate.

[radditsu]

Bantam

The main use of the funds they get from trakanon breastplates and other gear is to buy other accounts to sit on spawn targets. These accounts are shared to people with the most playtime. So you have 20-30ish people with access to 20 accounts sitting on every target not in VP. So while most guilds would have to mobilize to a place. They can log in account and be fighting the boss 8-10 seconds after logging in. Sometimes they will tank stall a fight with Soulfire's *instant click cheal with 5 charges and easy to get*, to established something called FTE(First to engage). So they can have 2-3 people fight a raid mob almost indefinitely until forces log in.

It is pretty insurmountable unless you ask your entire guild to set their primary level 60 raider on a spawn point and log on 3-5 seconds after a batphone(a text message/twitter blast) is called by the tracker(the guy who gets paid DKP to sit and look at their screen until the mob pops).

Hope that explains to you what goes on at a high level raiding situation.

[Wotsirb401]

You realize by now most people who have been on the server for a bit have several raid ready toons, either by leveling them up or friends quitting etc. I am casual, make that very casual and I have 3 raid ready toons. Yes it sucks to have to continually re-park toons when i miss a batphone due to work or sleep but what else is there to do? Farm plat no way !

[Nirgon]

This is more an issue of a 4 year classic/kunark timeline and everyone having reached the level/gear requirements to attempt these encounters. Classic/Kunark was never designed to last this long.

The people with all the free time to kill these mobs would have been killing them uncontested while you guys were leveling up. Now that you've caught up, you're trying to contest them and are surprised at the result?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is more an issue of a 4 year classic/kunark timeline and everyone having reached the level/gear requirements to attempt these encounters. Classic/Kunark was never designed to last this long.

The people with all the free time to kill these mobs would have been killing them uncontested while you guys were leveling up. Now that you've caught up, you're trying to contest them and are surprised at the result?

It is an issue. Timeline is a big issue.

But also this server is not exactly advertised. I knew about EQ shortly after it came out.

This server is a ghost unless you basically google search for "classic everquest", or you frequent nerd boards.

There is also a ton of player rollover.

All these issues combined together make one big soup of awful. The least thing that could be done is make it as fair as possible to allow people to experience content.


You of all people should know this form of the server does not matter ultimately. Its going to be the wiped from scratch according to timeline one that will be done 2-3 years down the line.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is more an issue of a 4 year classic/kunark timeline and everyone having reached the level/gear requirements to attempt these encounters. Classic/Kunark was never designed to last this long.

The people with all the free time to kill these mobs would have been killing them uncontested while you guys were leveling up. Now that you've caught up, you're trying to contest them and are surprised at the result?

True, I think that is the exact same argument TR was using against having to share VP dragons with TMO when VP was released. Since there was an 8? month delay in opening VP it allowed people (TMO) time to farm up and be ready for that zone as well, whereas if the timeline were accurate TR would have cleared the zoned months before TMO even earned their first Trakanon kill.

Now it's TMO at the top, and the rest of the server ready to raid. 5 Months from now it may be somebody else. What happens a couple of years after Velious is released and the server is stagnant? More of the same?

Outlooks need to change if anything good is ever going to happen, otherwise it's just going to be a continued cycle of shit that perpetuates itself.

[Nirgon]

You use this word share when no one has any intention of doing so.

The "fair" thing to do (not fair to TMO who had worked to come up in the strug that you guys didn't have to etc, it should become obvious when you think about it) would be this:

Raid calendar made by Sirken
2 week raid suspension for any guild / group breaking rules on said calendar

Wouldn't even require much more than that.

However, for all the bitching about TMO, you all forget they had to contest with IB in somewhat their prime. IB was a VERY strong EverQuest raid guild by my standards (well they had future knowledge, who is to say if they went in with no knowledge how they'd do compared to a guild like Afterlife or FoH in the day). They put an insane amount of time lawyering on the forums, talking to GMs, dealing with corruption, exploits/bugs that don't exist now, trying to recruit against other guilds, power leveling needed classes, farming items that are easily bought cheaply now and most importantly sleepless nights getting to where they are now.

Is it "fair" to just now hand down a raid calendar after they put in all that effort? Well, probably not. If there had been a calendar to begin with, they wouldn't have had to put in all that misery to get where they are now.

So, there's your "fair" to everyone else, but I am personally of the belief you should have to go through what they did to get your mobs. That's fair. Notice I didn't put quotations around the use in that last sentence.

It's a hard struggle, its not for everyone, but I see this everywhere RL too. People work their asses off to get on top and hold their position, and people cry because they want it too but aren't going to put in the same work for it.

Not my decision but there's the facts.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but I am personally of the belief you should have to go through what they did to get your mobs. That's fair.

It's a hard struggle, its not for everyone, but I see this everywhere RL too. People work their asses off to get on top and hold their position, and people cry because they want it too but aren't going to put in the same work for it.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it "fair" to just now hand down a raid calendar after they put in all that effort? Well, probably not. If there had been a calendar to begin with, they wouldn't have had to put in all that misery to get where they are now.

How many years after a contest is over does the winner of said contest get to wear the "I won" t-shirt without washing it?

Generally the answer is until the people around them say "Man...you really really stink...go wash that shirt or I'm going to wash it for you, with you still wearing it!"

People are to the point of saying "Man...you really really stink." but don't quite want to take the step of washing it for you.

[timhutton]

I used the word share because the guilds were forced to share the mobs when VP was released.

Not sure what the rest of your post is alluding too, but yes I think the majority of the server does want a "fair" environment to play/raid in.

It shouldn't be about what one guild/group of players want. That should be more than obvious by this point.

Ultimately though players have almost no say and it comes down to whatever Rogean/Sirken wants. Which is why you get so much bitching/qq'ing on the forums about stuff. Pretty sure all they care about is a happy/content playerbase so if nothing else maybe all of the threads and polls bring issues to their attention.

Hoping they give a shit is another crapshoot entirely.