And I raaaaaan, I raaaan so far awaaaayyyy

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The context of this discussion is whether or not a trollish or conflict-oriented attitude in RnF is detrimental to the health of the server.

You stated that conflict occurs naturally as part of the game. This seems to be you justifying a negative RnF as acceptable because people are already experiencing resentment.

Adding fuel to an undesirable fire is indefensible. It's nothing more than opportunistic bullying and playground insults. It does nothing productive, and it actively harms the organizations you're associated with.

RnF is a vent for that fire. If you notice I have created 1 RnF thread ever and it wasnt against a guild or organization. If people weren't using RnF for this reason I wouldn't even be posting here. I only respond to false claims or outright lies. RnF exists because Competitive Raiding exists. I have no problem with people venting in RnF, its healthy, but if they lie or don't cover the whole story I will respond.

I would like you to support your final claims with evidence other than opinion.
The way I see it if you let a lie stand people will tend to believe those lies the more they are repeated. Likely, some will believe it anyways but there are a few that are capable of objectivity.
Many people also want to believe information without evidence because it supports their ideology or belief structure. See the tea party, religion, politics, etc etc etc.
These people will never be affected by RnF as their opinions are already formed.
For those with fresh opinions (do any exist on this server still) would be wise to use their own evidence as proof instead of RnF sniping.

I could honestly care less if someone who is incapable of formulating their own opinions hates me because I am "mean". I don't curse at people or demean races, or classes of people. Just liars, shady tactics, and cheaters.

The only thing negative about RnF is dishonesty, deception, and belief.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The RnF warriors keep saying things like this to absolve themselves, in their own mind, from acknowledging the vitriol they spew and encourage in RnF is digested and used in game and on the forums to breed hatred and animosity amongst the raiding population creating a vicious cycle.

Here ya go Ele

[Frieza_Prexus]

RnF clearly has a legitimate place, if for no other reason that to serve as a collection bucket for otherwise inappropriate threads.

I have not once stated that RnF should not exist. I stated that I find many RnF participants to be unnecessarily confrontational and hostile in a way that does not serve any sense of resolution or construction.

Originally Posted by Alarti

I would like you to support your final claims with evidence other than opinion.

Statements like this tell me that you're missing the point. I'm not trying make some kind of statement that needs a factual inquiry. How is your beloved evidentiary standard even relevant here? I am explaining that I believe a problem exists. I then am explaining why I feel it is a problem and why I feel the problem is made worse by certain attitudes. I am explaining a belief. You want some kind of evidence of how I feel? Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?

I could honestly care less if someone who is incapable of formulating their own opinions hates me because I am "mean".

What you seem to not understand, or at least you refuse to acknowledge, is that your attitudes and actions carry ramifications beyond your own personal environment. The only thing negative about RnF is when people bludgeon others with no hope of a productive outcome. Conflict and resentment occur, but efforts should be taken to defuse them.

Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RnF clearly has a legitimate place, if for no other reason that to serve as a collection bucket for otherwise inappropriate threads.

I have not once stated that RnF should not exist. I stated that I find many RnF participants to be unnecessarily confrontational and hostile in a way that does not serve any sense of resolution or construction.



Statements like this tell me that you're missing the point. I'm not trying make some kind of statement that needs a factual inquiry. How is your beloved evidentiary standard even relevant here? I am explaining that I believe a problem exists. I then am explaining why I feel it is a problem and why I feel the problem is made worse by certain attitudes. I am explaining a belief. You want some kind of evidence of how I feel? Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?



What you seem to not understand, or at least you refuse to acknowledge, is that your attitudes and actions carry ramifications beyond your own personal environment. The only thing negative about RnF is when people bludgeon others with no hope of a productive outcome. Conflict and resentment occur, but efforts should be taken to defuse them.

Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.

Someone is succumbing to the dark side.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RnF clearly has a legitimate place, if for no other reason that to serve as a collection bucket for otherwise inappropriate threads.

I have not once stated that RnF should not exist. I stated that I find many RnF participants to be unnecessarily confrontational and hostile in a way that does not serve any sense of resolution or construction.

Statements like this tell me that you're missing the point. I'm not trying make some kind of statement that needs a factual inquiry. How is your beloved evidentiary standard even relevant here? I am explaining that I believe a problem exists. I then am explaining why I feel it is a problem and why I feel the problem is made worse by certain attitudes. I am explaining a belief. You want some kind of evidence of how I feel? Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?

What you seem to not understand, or at least you refuse to acknowledge, is that your attitudes and actions carry ramifications beyond your own personal environment. The only thing negative about RnF is when people bludgeon others with no hope of a productive outcome. Conflict and resentment occur, but efforts should be taken to defuse them.

Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.



Would you like for me to write down my feelings and post a picture? How about some interpretive dance or maybe macaroni art?
Promoting resentment only displays an immaturity of the highest order.
(You mean like this) ?

There is always hope of a productive outcome. It may not happen but it occasionally does.

Evidence is always required. If you believe something for no other reason than "to believe" your claim holds no merit.

Many in RnF believe TMO is an evil organization of RMT'ers and KS'ers without merit. They believe it to be true so they act on this. This is why belief is the true villian of RnF.
Belief without evidence is real immaturity. Only a child believes what they can substantiate. If a mother told her little child that the english word for a banana was "Apple" the child would believe it. An adult would back that up with evidence.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone is succumbing to the dark side.

Yep caught that too

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No am absolutely saying it affects people opinions of me... as an individual.

How about ingame?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone is succumbing to the dark side.

See, thats my definition of a great flame. Its 90% content, but with a zinger thrown in. It's so much more fun to read than the 'u mad bro?' crap that dominates this forum.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about ingame?

Well considering maybe only 8 people even know me in real life. I'm sure it affects their "ingame" opinion of me.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well considering maybe only 8 people even know me in real life. I'm sure it affects their "ingame" opinion of me.

Should get outside more. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]