Nordenwatch's Guide: Rags to Riches

[Nordenwatch]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to say that when Derubael told me Nordenwatch was RMTing, I wasn't all that surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised.

well near the end when all my chars were naked.. it was pretty obvious what was going on if you really thought about it at all

[Senix]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They have next to zero teeth against Nordenwatch, and banning his account does very little to stop the flow, you're right. However, following where the money went absolutely puts a dent in it. Just look at Platlord's site right now. His entire inventory has been decimated.

When the dust settles all you have left is that a person decided to be a dick by cashing out when he said he wouldn't when he first started here. It's a lack of respect for the rules and the people who made this server possible. We certainly understand his temptation, and we all know why he did it. That still doesn't change the fact that it was extremely disrespectful to everyone else.

I think much of the outrage here isn't moral. Instead, I think a lot of it is hurt because the people who knew him expected better behavior from a person they knew as a friend and cohort.

So they decimate platlords stock. So he turns around and starts buying plat from the server populace again. It's cyclical, he loses his inventory, he starts buying plat again then selling it for a mark up. There is no stopping it.

How is this disrespectful to anyone?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point was that rather than quibbling about the legalistic definition of 'victim', a little compassion for a family torn apart by addiction was in order. Considering that you are desperately alternating between backpedaling, spinning, and throwing out random shit about kittens in an attempt to deflect it, I'd say its safe to say that regardless of your claims to the contrary you figured things out.

I guess the whole kitten thing went over your head. You got all righteous about a position I never took on this issue, and so I was doing the same to you. I'm sorry that I had to take the time to explain this to you. It should have been rather obvious if you were thinking clearly.

And will you please stop getting all morally indignant about some weird position you think I have taken here? I never said a family whose father goes and wastes all his money at the craps table doesn't have it bad. Certainly anyone would feel bad for that situation. But there is a difference between that situation and one where an actual crime has been committed. If you can't tell the difference, that's on you. Luckily civilized society is able to make such distinctions.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Senix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know that they've tipped their hand completely, but it was a def show of weakness if that's all they could muster.

There is also no reason to believe that such an agreement exists.

And finally one of their few rules is all but unenforceable in cases like this. The offending player is leaving, so go ahead and ban him, big deal. The buyers knew the inherent risk involved and can easily take steps to avoid banning their main accounts, since accounts are free. So how is this at all stopping RMT? It's not.

There's a plethora of reasons why we don't allow RMT here, but the topic was who RMT hurts the most, not why it's against the rules. You're damaging yourself and spitting in the faces of the people who let you play here for free. You're also wasting CSR time and potentially preventing other people from getting the help they need. But who cares, right? It's not like we volunteer 1000's of hours helping this community and this project.

Lot's of people got not only their main accounts, but their friends' main accounts banned as well. Why take the risk?

Their house, their rules. If you don't like it, there's the door.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Senix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So they decimate platlords stock. So he turns around and starts buying plat from the server populace again. It's cyclical, he loses his inventory, he starts buying plat again then selling it for a mark up. There is no stopping it.

How is this disrespectful to anyone?

They cannot stop it, but they can certainly impede it.

It's disrespectful because a condition of playing here is that you will not do it. If you ask a person to take their shoes off before they walk on your carpet, what do you call it when they refuse? Disrespect. There's the additional factor that we've been told it jeopardizes the server and the staff's relationship with Sony. While this factor is certainly far looser, it does exist and death by injunction is certainly within the realm of possibility.

These factors are the essence of why it is disrespectful.

[Orruar]

P.S. Stop the kitten torture. It's really messed up man.

[Daldolma]

This isn't about victimhood, it's about the commons.

Is the entire server victimized by RMT? In some small way, probably -- but not any more so than every single person is victimized by a billion minor external factors that make some aspect of their life sub-optimal.

But what we've got here is a genuine commons. It's open to all, and maintained by server staff. We all benefit from the upkeep of the commons. When you RMT, you shit in the commons. When enough people shit in the commons, we all feel the effects. None of us are personally victimized by any one RMTer, but the cumulative effects impact the server's functionality and legitimacy.

So what someone like Nordenwatch does is make extensive, humiliating, life-ruining use of the commons, then when he's decided he's extracted maximum utility from someone else's sandbox, he cashes out and leaves the sandbox a little worse for the people that remain.

Also, you would be much, much better off working a job at McDonald's in terms of cash-out. Rags to riches guide to burger-flipping coming up next.

[Nordenwatch]

To reiterate the point I've made multiple times: PLAYING EQ EXPRESSLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING MONEY IS A WASTE OF TIME

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Orruar

They're only victims if they had a claim on ownership of the money in the first place. If it was all dude's money, then there is no victim. Just a bunch of people who have a shitty father/husband. Don't water down the term "victim" to mean anyone who doesn't get as much as they could have possibly gotten in a perfect world. The word becomes meaningless then.

is brimming with empathy. You came into this thread with dumb quibbling legalistic post, got called out on it, and now are just throwing out more and more shit in an attempt to distract from it. That's why I called your kittens random.

P.S. Still waiting for an apology for criticizing my morals with no basis.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not like we volunteer 1000's of hours helping this community and this project.

Yo Derubael can you lend 5 of those minutes to red and turn the exp back on, shit accidentally got turned off and the server is feeling blue as fuck.

Thanks.