End of the rotation?

[Ezalor]

I am not sure what the hell you're talking about, Paleman. It seemed like you were saying that a rotation could not work on a large population server, which isn't true. Then you started talking about how there should be a path for everyone to raid, which was completely out of nowhere and I didn't say anything against that.

It's a bit early to be drinking, bro.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should make an exception for Argh and let him keep posting anywhere he wants, because he's the only person in this thread who's made any fucking sense

You think some bozo from my elf clan could tell me not to post in elf sim forum thread X?

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think some bozo from my elf clan could tell me not to post in elf sim forum thread X?

Argh, you're my boy

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should have just logged on your officially tagged Asgard toon like the rest of TMO.

Butchh came from asgard, before that he was nothing. He felt like helping some old buddies. Why do people insist on some type of Asgard/TMO conspiracy

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think some bozo from my elf clan could tell me not to post in elf sim forum thread X?

Now that's real truth.

[Kaines]

Originally Posted by rubinoff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We need more posts like this. If you can't follow up this masterpiece with something better you should stop posting in the thread.

You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has loots. And those loots have to be farmed by guilds with neckbeards. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Chest? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for the casuals and you curse Class C. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the death of Class R, while tragic, probably saved pixels. And competition's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves pixels...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in EC tunnel, you want me on that raid. You need me on that raid.
We use words like competition, poopsocking, epics...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent raiding something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of competition I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick a guild tag and stand at a spawn point. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

[quido]

I think Asgard is complete trash and full of retards.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can I be guild leader of BDA 13

BDA 13 is comprised entirely of rangers and one exasperated cleric. We can barely clear Fire Giants. Good luck.

[cs616]

Love how BDA is defending against a lot of the same accusations they were throwing at class C guilds, and using the same arguments class C did. Anyone remember Taken saving BDA at naggy? Guess teaming up there is fine, just as long as you claim there wasn't an agreement before hand.

BDA worried about smaller guilds that are unable to mobilize for a mob like the larger guilds getting welfare pixels? That sure sounds familiar too. Maybe the smaller guilds don't want to have huge rosters of people who can play around the clock, because that isn't their play style. Just like having to compete with FE/IB/TMO wasn't BDA's playstyle.

Seems to me that BDA and a couple other guilds are in a sort of middle ground of quasi-"hard core" raiding - not willing to compete with IB/TMO and not wanting to allow more casual guilds an even split. They feel like they should get more based on their ability and willingness to do what it takes to kill mobs. That sounds familiar too.

Given that class C was created because BDA didn't want to play the game the same way hard core guild do, it's ammusing that they're now the people trying to force others to play the game their way. The hard core guilds don't try to make rules that force people how to play, they just adapt to whatever rules are set. Sure, everyone lobbies for rules that benefit them, but the server is in the state it is because it has become common practice to respond to every casual cry and complaint about fairness by adding more rules under the guise of creating fairness. If this wasn't common practice, rule lawyering wouldn't be effective because it wouldn't be worth anyone's time. We're in this situation because of our willingness to alter rules to try and make everyone happy.

Best thing for the server IMO would be to remove all raid rules on velious launch and just let the players figure it out. The only reason this server was dominated by one guild is because no one cared enough to challenge them 3 years into Kunark until FE formed and IB came back, and the rules had nothing to do with that. Having 2-3 "raid guilds" and a bunch of lower tier raiding guilds is classic, and the player crafted rules here do nothing but breed entitlement.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's cute that you guys want to keep clinging to this 'BUT PEOPLE CAN JUST CREATE TONS OF GUILDS AND COLLUDE AND IT'LL CREATE THIS RIDICULOUS LONG ROTATION LIST' scenario.

That scenario wasn't happening. It wasn't going to happen. Again, we are looking at maybe 2-4 kills/month where class R guilds got some help from another R guild at 3am. How does that matter at all?? It's such a minuscule amount of loot

A) kind of like some guilds are clinging to this 'EVERY FUCKING RAID MOB SPAWNS AT 3AM!' scenario?

B) if it's such an insignificant amount of loot, why are 7 guilds in an uproar about it? Sounds like it must have been fairly significant to provoke this sort of reaction.