End of the rotation?

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA gettin merked in these threads... yet to see any kind of decent post from them either.

I believe my 40 guild 'Super BDA' get the point across nicely. Choke the rotation to death.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA gettin merked in these threads... yet to see any kind of decent post from them either.

Looking in RNF for a decent post.

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[Juevento]

And I think I got my A-Team isn't all that great point across as well. I feel pretty satisfied with the outcome.

[Juevento]

The outcome of course being its a few hours closer to being done with work for the week...

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The outcome of course being its a few hours closer to being done with work for the week...

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[cs616]

Love how BDA is defending against a lot of the same accusations they were throwing at class C guilds, and using the same arguments class C did. Anyone remember Taken saving BDA at naggy? Guess teaming up there is fine, just as long as you claim there wasn't an agreement before hand.

BDA worried about smaller guilds that are unable to mobilize for a mob like the larger guilds getting welfare pixels? That sure sounds familiar too. Maybe the smaller guilds don't want to have huge rosters of people who can play around the clock, because that isn't their play style. Just like having to compete with FE/IB/TMO wasn't BDA's playstyle.

Seems to me that BDA and a couple other guilds are in a sort of middle ground of quasi-"hard core" raiding - not willing to compete with IB/TMO and not wanting to allow more casual guilds an even split. They feel like they should get more based on their ability and willingness to do what it takes to kill mobs. That sounds familiar too.

Given that class C was created because BDA didn't want to play the game the same way hard core guild do, it's ammusing that they're now the people trying to force others to play the game their way. The hard core guilds don't try to make rules that force people how to play, they just adapt to whatever rules are set. Sure, everyone lobbies for rules that benefit them, but the server is in the state it is because it has become common practice to respond to every casual cry and complaint about fairness by adding more rules under the guise of creating fairness. If this wasn't common practice, rule lawyering wouldn't be effective because it wouldn't be worth anyone's time. We're in this situation because of our willingness to alter rules to try and make everyone happy.

Best thing for the server IMO would be to remove all raid rules on velious launch and just let the players figure it out. The only reason this server was dominated by one guild is because no one cared enough to challenge them 3 years into Kunark until FE formed and IB came back, and the rules had nothing to do with that. Having 2-3 "raid guilds" and a bunch of lower tier raiding guilds is classic, and the player crafted rules here do nothing but breed entitlement.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Love how BDA is defending against a lot of the same accusations they were throwing at class C guilds, and using the same arguments class C did. Anyone remember Taken saving BDA at naggy? Guess teaming up there is fine, just as long as you claim there wasn't an agreement before hand.

Other way around, and Taken didn't need saving.

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Given that class C was created because BDA didn't want to play the game the same way hard core guild do, it's ammusing that they're now the people trying to force others to play the game their way. The hard core guilds don't try to make rules that force people how to play, they just adapt to whatever rules are set. Sure, everyone lobbies for rules that benefit them, but the server is in the state it is because it has become common practice to respond to every casual cry and complaint about fairness by adding more rules under the guise of creating fairness. If this wasn't common practice, rule lawyering wouldn't be effective because it wouldn't be worth anyone's time. We're in this situation because of our willingness to alter rules to try and make everyone happy.

Class C was created because Rogean was tired of TMO/IB/FE shitting everything up for the whole server.

While Chest was vocal, every none TMO/IB/FE guild wanted changes that created segregation between the two playstyles.

[skipdog]

It's cute that you guys want to keep clinging to this 'BUT PEOPLE CAN JUST CREATE TONS OF GUILDS AND COLLUDE AND IT'LL CREATE THIS RIDICULOUS LONG ROTATION LIST' scenario.

That scenario wasn't happening. It wasn't going to happen. Again, we are looking at maybe 2-4 kills/month where class R guilds got some help from another R guild at 3am. How does that matter at all?? It's such a minuscule amount of loot.

I think the fact that some of you bigger guilds had to create such a stink over some of the smaller guilds helping each other when stuff spawned at god awful times, is so hilarious and pathetic, considering BDA's history and it's attitude towards the 'evil zerg guilds who ruin the server by caring too much about pixels'.

You big guilds can do what you want, but don't pretend that this 'end of the rotation' was anything except the big class R guilds being upset that they can't get even more pixels than the smaller guilds who can't always field a full crew at 3am.

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's cute that you guys want to keep clinging to this 'BUT PEOPLE CAN JUST CREATE TONS OF GUILDS AND COLLUDE AND IT'LL CREATE THIS RIDICULOUS LONG ROTATION LIST' scenario.

That scenario wasn't happening. It wasn't going to happen. Again, we are looking at maybe 2-4 kills/month where class R guilds got some help from another R guild at 3am. How does that matter at all?? It's such a minuscule amount of loot.

I think the fact that some of you bigger guilds had to create such a stink over some of the smaller guilds helping each other when stuff spawned at god awful times, is so hilarious and pathetic, considering BDA's history and it's attitude towards the 'evil zerg guilds who ruin the server by caring too much about pixels'.

You big guilds can do what you want, but don't pretend that this 'end of the rotation' was anything except the big class R guilds being upset that they can't get even more pixels than the smaller guilds who can't always field a full crew at 3am.

1. Its the same guilds always requiring help, yes? What percentage of certain guilds' kills are team efforts?

Its all academic, as Velious will supposedly do away with the class system, causing these same smaller guilds to jump ship to guilds that can handle Velious raid mobs (TMO, IB, Taken, BDA)

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's cute that you guys want to keep clinging to this 'BUT PEOPLE CAN JUST CREATE TONS OF GUILDS AND COLLUDE AND IT'LL CREATE THIS RIDICULOUS LONG ROTATION LIST' scenario.

That scenario wasn't happening. It wasn't going to happen. Again, we are looking at maybe 2-4 kills/month where class R guilds got some help from another R guild at 3am. How does that matter at all?? It's such a minuscule amount of loot

A) kind of like some guilds are clinging to this 'EVERY FUCKING RAID MOB SPAWNS AT 3AM!' scenario?

B) if it's such an insignificant amount of loot, why are 7 guilds in an uproar about it? Sounds like it must have been fairly significant to provoke this sort of reaction.