Fastest PL - Ench, Shaman or Monk? Friendly wager anyone?

[KentalCowtipper]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Theft of Thought alone would give enchanters enough mana to charm once a minute in a place like Howling Stones where most of the mobs are SKs. Breaking isn't a problem with a Gazughi.

But yeah, I agree monk is out-of-the-fucking question for 50+ power leveling.

With that said, I've only really power leveled 40+ in SolB and Highkeep. Howling Stones would be much better, but the 2 people I've powerleveled didn't have a HS key.

Pasi you really said that a monk is out of the question? Maybe most monks can't do it effectively. See my post to Orruar why I know I can.
Over 50% in 90 minutes for a pure melee - warrior - at lvl 53 the other night.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Orruar I haven't PL'd much in the past month due to to RL being busy as hell but I used to quite frequently. Everyone I have PL'd has told me flat out that I provide the fastest PL they've ever had. I'm basing my claim on that. I'm not just talking about 1 or 2 random people telling me that - I'm talking a good 15-20 people or more. These are people who have purchased a PL from others in the past.

I agree 100% that an ench or a shaman can be a very effective powerleveler but
what you're discounting about me is that I'm definitely not you're normal run of the mill monk PL. There are no other melee classes on the solo artist challenge list. The reason for this is 3 fold:
A) Monks are OP compared to other melee.
B) I'm *arguably* the best geared monk on the server. I also happen to have some skill - maybe not the best on the server but I'm probably up there. 2nd in BoTB; loosing by 22hp to first place is a good argument for that (I'd like to compete against adrianna in a PL contest too but she's never on anymore. Plus I know with C below I'd get her - unless she found one to borrowed)
C) Pre-Nerf Fungi Staff. No other monk I know is triple stacking self regen. This is the actually the biggest factor of the 3 listed. 52 a tick with just under 1100 ac is huge when it comes to factoring a consistent kill rate. Add in the fact that I do fairly high DPS - 5-10% under our guild rogues consistently - and this makes for a very strong, very consistent powerlevel.

Not to mention you're not looking at the majority of classes being powerleveled. There is no real way that you can power level an ench, mage, necro, wiz, bard, cleric, shaman or druid faster than I can. Pet classes can't use their pets or they get crappy xp during the PL. So that leaves 6 out of 14 classes - War, Rog, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, SK - in which its arguable who can provide a faster PL.

Also with a good monk PLing they can attack down to 1 or 2% and then FD - providing constant DPS (I do around 90-95 dps without buffs or disc). For you to PL you have to do 49% or less dmg; the person being PLed has to do 51% or more. This means you are in essence capped at how fast you can powerlevel in relation to how fast the person you're PLing can kill - like you said a shaman PL is much more dependent on the person being power leveled. Therefore I would conceivable add a paladin and SK to the list of 8 classes I am 100% sure I can PL faster as their DPS is lower than other 4 melee.

I'm 100% sure I can PL 10/14 of the classes faster; the other 4/14 classes I am reasonably certain my PL would be faster. But I'm not 100% sure. Therefore I put this wager offer out there for anyone who wants to step up and see. I'd assume you'll choose one of the 30% of the classes that I'm not certain about.

It therefore seems ignorant to me that you would post on someone's EC thread that you're a faster PLer when it would only apply to 30% of the classes - and even then you're not even sure yourself if it would be faster for those 4 classes.

I await your wager and the challenge.

I have no issue with monk kill speed, I have issues with them being able to sustain both their health and the health of a powerlevelee (in the case of a melee power-level). 52hp/tick is significant (plus mend and stonestance), but it's not chain-kill territory unless it's lower level mobs. Hence, why I said high-level power level is enchanter dominated.

And even if it is chain kill territory. Enchanters are killing two mobs at a time.

I know this isn't exactly scientific, but my most recent power-level bout, I was able to keep everything in Efreeti constantly dead while powerleveling (tash helps a lot for nuking down low mobs). This includes the side trap room.
Even with your regen and pumice (or a SoN), I don't think a monk has the sustainability to keep all that dead (again, not even factoring in keeping your partners hp up if need be). And that camp isn't even close to ideal for an enchanter.

As I said, I think monks may have a shot at being top dog for mid-level powerleveling. You sound like you know what you're doing, and I am considering using you for my warrior some time.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Orruar I haven't PL'd much in the past month due to to RL being busy as hell but I used to quite frequently. Everyone I have PL'd has told me flat out that I provide the fastest PL they've ever had. I'm basing my claim on that. I'm not just talking about 1 or 2 random people telling me that - I'm talking a good 15-20 people or more. These are people who have purchased a PL from others in the past.

I agree 100% that an ench or a shaman can be a very effective powerleveler but
what you're discounting about me is that I'm definitely not you're normal run of the mill monk PL. There are no other melee classes on the solo artist challenge list. The reason for this is 3 fold:
A) Monks are OP compared to other melee.
B) I'm *arguably* the best geared monk on the server. I also happen to have some skill - maybe not the best on the server but I'm probably up there. 2nd in BoTB; loosing by 22hp to first place is a good argument for that (I'd like to compete against adrianna in a PL contest too but she's never on anymore. Plus I know with C below I'd get her - unless she found one to borrowed)
C) Pre-Nerf Fungi Staff. No other monk I know is triple stacking self regen. This is the actually the biggest factor of the 3 listed. 52 a tick with just under 1100 ac is huge when it comes to factoring a consistent kill rate. Add in the fact that I do fairly high DPS - 5-10% under our guild rogues consistently - and this makes for a very strong, very consistent powerlevel.

Not to mention you're not looking at the majority of classes being powerleveled. There is no real way that you can power level an ench, mage, necro, wiz, bard, cleric, shaman or druid faster than I can. Pet classes can't use their pets or they get crappy xp during the PL. So that leaves 6 out of 14 classes - War, Rog, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, SK - in which its arguable who can provide a faster PL.

Also with a good monk PLing they can attack down to 1 or 2% and then FD - providing constant DPS (I do around 90-95 dps without buffs or disc). For you to PL you have to do 49% or less dmg; the person being PLed has to do 51% or more. This means you are in essence capped at how fast you can powerlevel in relation to how fast the person you're PLing can kill - like you said a shaman PL is much more dependent on the person being power leveled. Therefore I would conceivable add a paladin and SK to the list of 8 classes I am 100% sure I can PL faster as their DPS is lower than other 4 melee.

I'm 100% sure I can PL 10/14 of the classes faster; the other 4/14 classes I am reasonably certain my PL would be faster. But I'm not 100% sure. Therefore I put this wager offer out there for anyone who wants to step up and see. I'd assume you'll choose one of the 30% of the classes that I'm not certain about.

It therefore seems ignorant to me that you would post on someone's EC thread that you're a faster PLer when it would only apply to 30% of the classes - and even then you're not even sure yourself if it would be faster for those 4 classes.

I await your wager and the challenge.

Well, let's not be naive... I'm sure any really good PL'er has heard everyone tell them they are the best. You give someone a few levels in an hour and they'll think you're a god. I find it hard to believe you'd just take other peoples' word for it without any thought to the contrary. If your mom tells you that you're smart, do you immediately go apply to grad school at MIT?

I never said monk wasn't the best for PLing casters. But you claimed to be the best on the server and then gave an example of a PL session with a warrior, so the challenge to your claim is valid. At least in my EC thread for PL, I'd mention that I was not as good for casters as other classes. And I never felt the need to make any kind of claim about being the best. A good PLer does the job and word of mouth ensures they are never short on clients. It was your douchey tone that really made your thread special. Multiple people posted in your thread saying you sounded like a complete douche. That should tell you something. Of course, forum cop Ambrotos came along and deleted most of those posts, since he's always done such an exceptional and consistent job of policing these forums.

[KentalCowtipper]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no issue with monk kill speed, I have issues with them being able to sustain both their health and the health of a powerlevelee (in the case of a melee power-level). 52hp/tick is significant (plus mend and stonestance), but it's not chain-kill territory unless it's lower level mobs. Hence, why I said high-level power level is enchanter dominated.

And even if it is chain kill territory. Enchanters are killing two mobs at a time.

I know this isn't exactly scientific, but my most recent power-level bout, I was able to keep everything in Efreeti constantly dead while powerleveling (tash helps a lot for nuking down low mobs). This includes the side trap room.
Even with your regen and pumice (or a SoN), I don't think a monk has the sustainability to keep all that dead (again, not even factoring in keeping your partners hp up if need be). And that camp isn't even close to ideal for an enchanter.

As I said, I think monks may have a shot at being top dog for mid-level powerleveling. You sound like you know what you're doing, and I am considering using you for my warrior some time.

The key to sustanability is a 3 fold factor - the amount of hp regenerated, the damage being dealt to the mobs and the AC. Once you hit over 1050 ac and start triple stacking regen it mitigates much or all of the damage. For example in KC I don't need a healer at all. I can chain pull as many mobs as there are up. I've PL'd in there when its empty and clearing LCY, RCY and Dog capt (plus the 6 mob spawns ontw from LCY to Dog Capt) thats 35 mobs in a 28 min respawn time.

And why would the person being PL'd take any damage? When I'm doing almost as much damage as a rogue unless the person being PL'd is trying to strip agro from me there is no real way they're going to be taking dmg - unless we're fighting undead and they get in a hit or two once I flop at 1-2%.

[KentalCowtipper]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, let's not be naive... I'm sure any really good PL'er has heard everyone tell them they are the best. You give someone a few levels in an hour and they'll think you're a god. I find it hard to believe you'd just take other peoples' word for it without any thought to the contrary. If your mom tells you that you're smart, do you immediately go apply to grad school at MIT?

I never said monk wasn't the best for PLing casters. But you claimed to be the best on the server and then gave an example of a PL session with a warrior, so the challenge to your claim is valid. At least in my EC thread for PL, I'd mention that I was not as good for casters as other classes. And I never felt the need to make any kind of claim about being the best. A good PLer does the job and word of mouth ensures they are never short on clients. It was your douchey tone that really made your thread special. Multiple people posted in your thread saying you sounded like a complete douche. That should tell you something. Of course, forum cop Ambrotos came along and deleted most of those posts, since he's always done such an exceptional and consistent job of policing these forums.

Sorry you felt the need to offer your OPINION on a thread that specifically states no opinions on the item being sold.
Notice I said opinion - because it's just that. You don't have any proof to the contrary. You just think you're right.

I'm anxious to get the plat on the table and get this challenge going.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no issue with monk kill speed, I have issues with them being able to sustain both their health and the health of a powerlevelee (in the case of a melee power-level). 52hp/tick is significant (plus mend and stonestance), but it's not chain-kill territory unless it's lower level mobs. Hence, why I said high-level power level is enchanter dominated.

And even if it is chain kill territory. Enchanters are killing two mobs at a time.

I know this isn't exactly scientific, but my most recent power-level bout, I was able to keep everything in Efreeti constantly dead while powerleveling (tash helps a lot for nuking down low mobs). This includes the side trap room.
Even with your regen and pumice (or a SoN), I don't think a monk has the sustainability to keep all that dead (again, not even factoring in keeping your partners hp up if need be). And that camp isn't even close to ideal for an enchanter.

As I said, I think monks may have a shot at being top dog for mid-level powerleveling. You sound like you know what you're doing, and I am considering using you for my warrior some time.

If enc can only do all of efreeti in one cycle, maybe they aren't near monk or shaman. Pre epic, I'd keep all of efreeti + all of bnb down with a low 50s monk or rogue.

[KentalCowtipper]

Also I felt the need to post my capabilities because it's been a while since I've PL'd. If I did it 2-3x a week I wouldn't say a word. I also charge more than most other PLers. So i wanted to offer some validity for my claims.

I think what will really offer some validity is when we get the plat on the table and get this wager going for the 4/14 classes you're not sure who would be the fastest PLer.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you felt the need to offer your OPINION on a thread that specifically states no opinions on the item being sold.
Notice I said opinion - because it's just that. You don't have any proof to the contrary. You just think you're right.

I'm anxious to get the plat on the table and get this challenge going.

Yeah, and we all know there is never an opinion offered in the EC forums...

Besides, you made a claim about the rate you PL'ed a warrior and I mentioned that a shaman does just as good or better. That's not an opinion, it's objective fact based upon previous PL sessions. The only opinion to be made is for the reader to then determine that your mouth is bigger than your punch.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid+Monk> any single class combination. /end thread. Geared monks will have virtually no downtime and great dps but the druid will insure the mobs are being low level rooted along with the ds/regen/hp buff for w/e class they play. The downtime comes from the PLee trying to kill the mob, not the person PL'ing. Also the druid would provide quick ports to various hotspots for the appropriate level range. Even with all of this, giving a fast delay weapon to the caster.. you still need the recipient to be somewhat remotely intelligent to get the optimal efficiency. I've purchased about 7 PL's from the EC thread for myself and a few of my friends needing to catchup. Each of them did not understand efficiency or the optimal hot spots. So instead of purchasing a PL from a single decent monk at 4k / hour, it's much better to purchase a monk + druid team at 2k/hour each. I guarantee monk/druid will produce a lvl 50 (any class) toon faster than any other class.

Pretty sure shaman/monk is going to far outperform druid/monk 40+. DS is nice, haste and avatar is nicer.

[Orruar]

Also Flippie, you should be mad at Ambrotos for removing all those posts that were you giving you free bumps.. The thread is all the way down to page 3 now =x