MOTD: Consider rolling red

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ PvP is, quite literally, not a contest of skill but rather a contest of who can be the biggest douchebag and closely replicate the attitude of a 3-5 year old.

Doesn't need fixing

[kazroth]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ PvP is, quite literally, not a contest of skill but rather a contest of who can be the biggest douchebag and closely replicate the attitude of a 3-5 year old.

Facts. Let the hate bashing and "fix'd that for you" commence.

I'm not going to fix your post for you, as you didn't really explain anything. You simply stated it as a fact. Do you have any anecdotal evidence to prove your point?

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by kazroth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not going to fix your post for you, as you didn't really explain anything. You simply stated it as a fact. Do you have any anecdotal evidence to prove your point?

Allow me to explain then.

EQ PvP literally consists of people who do shit like this:

"Hmmm I'm level 60 and this guy is level 20. He provides absolutely no challenge to me. I don't know him. Never met him. Not even in a rival guild. Fuck this I wanna kill him. Oh he's coming back to the camp to loot corpse? Not even saying a word? Hahah fuck that I'm gonna sit here and kil lhim every time he comes back."

Or

"Just another bored day being a top raid geared 70..Think I'm gonna go to Crushbone and use my pet to one shot every level 10 player there over and over until they either rage quit or, if they even have one, log on their mains and start shit with me."

Or any other variation of "how much of an asshat can I make myself look like today?"

Now you tell me how the above isn't being a total douchebag or show that the player has the attitude and mindset of a 5 year old, and tell me how any of the above provides that player with a challenge.

EQ PvP would be fun if people conducted themselves maturely and like adults and actually fought for the sake of challenge or even for something like a guild rivalry (Akin to using the Arena in Blue EQ) but they don't. Instead you get 85-90% if not more of the playerbase that acts like the above examples.

Inb4 "lol he mad" because that just proves my point.

[kazroth]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Allow me to explain then.

EQ PvP literally consists of people who do shit like this:

"Hmmm I'm level 60 and this guy is level 20. He provides absolutely no challenge to me. I don't know him. Never met him. Not even in a rival guild. Fuck this I wanna kill him. Oh he's coming back to the camp to loot corpse? Not even saying a word? Hahah fuck that I'm gonna sit here and kil lhim every time he comes back."

Or

"Just another bored day being a top raid geared 70..Think I'm gonna go to Crushbone and use my pet to one shot every level 10 player there over and over until they either rage quit or, if they even have one, log on their mains and start shit with me."

Or any other variation of "how much of an asshat can I make myself look like today?"

Now you tell me how the above isn't being a total douchebag or show that the player has the attitude and mindset of a 5 year old, and tell me how any of the above provides that player with a challenge.

EQ PvP would be fun if people conducted themselves maturely and like adults and actually fought for the sake of challenge or even for something like a guild rivalry (Akin to using the Arena in Blue EQ) but they don't. Instead you get 85-90% if not more of the playerbase that acts like the above examples.

Inb4 "lol he mad" because that just proves my point.

I challenge you to insert 'WoW PvP on a red server' wherever you typed EQ PvP, and come up with any differences between the game or some members of the community.

The cool thing about that is when the little guy is getting camped and calls in his guild for reinforcements, then a real zone war starts happening, then even more guilds get called in. After an hour or two, you have all the large PvP'ing guilds on the server fighting over a zone because that little dude was getting camped.

I don't see how there is a difference.

[Messianic]

A lot of those things apply to WoW PvP as well - again, eq pvp is more about gang warfare than it is individual acts of douchebaggery.

[kazroth]

Removing the PvP from the world and putting it in its own little box helps alleviate the little man's problem, but you immediately destroy any sense of community when you do so.

I prefer the community and to deal with gang warfare than to click on 'queue' so I can face the next team with zero social commitment.

EDIT: Read Envino's latest post as to how I belong to a dying breed, however.

[Swish]

WoW PvP was great, particularly Warsong Gulch. Having alliance scum log over just to tell me that shamans are OP, I shouldn't be able to run a WSG flag in ghost wolf because paladins don't have anything similar... used to love all that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 Red is always going to attract criticism from Blue players, and Red players are always going to be on the defensive about their server because if we're honest it has yet to be a true success. Who do you blame for that?

I have yet to experience it but if I was corpse camped I wouldn't last long on Red, therefore maybe it isn't for me...if they can knock 10 new players off the server a week with that behaviour I really do hope they aren't among the protesters if, in the future, Rogean decides he's got other plans for the server due to a low population. The number online is enough of a bad advertisement, I hope the Red community can encourage new players to join, stay and even enjoy the server <3

[kazroth]

Ok, I can definitely get on board with you there. It does appear that tribal warfare has broken out on the red side. I'm not going to say anarchy, because it appears that there is a definite 'system' in place. I love bein an underdog who comes out victorious, we shall see what happens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Safon]

Red99 has failed as expected, please don't try to leech from Blue's population to keep Red afloat.

[kazroth]

So guys, what's a good class for red 99? Just starting up, no gear, nothing. I need a solid class that can hold its own out there in this dog eat dog world - without any backup. Any advice?